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re: 3 questions about Trump J6 case that don't make sense
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:20 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:20 am to burger bearcat
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A) In the scenario, an election was either stolen or rigged (let's just say it was), how should a canidate attempt to adjudicate or correct this? Not say anything at all? Republican or Democrat, what is the proper process for challenging an election if it was indeed fraudulent? (Again, just pretend it was even if you don't think it was)
You would do everything Trump did which is what every candidate who contested an election has done in the past. Use the courts, contest electors, and state your case to the people.
All the the other stuff is politics, wild speculation and bullshite.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:25 am to GRTiger
Personally, never saw a candidate coerce the VP into violating the constitution, or coerce and threaten state elected officials to change votes as we know he did in AZ and GA or conspire with multiple states to submit forged slate of electors.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:28 am to texas tortilla
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with that judge,
Imo the Judge won’t make it to the trial. She will have to recuse herself due to ties to certain law firms. Only after she continues to tie up certain details getting out and play more election interference
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Are you telling me I can try to impede/impair a federal official proceeding as long as I come up with a novel legal theory?
You've never heard of unsuccessful lawsuits
no. lawsuits are not why people got charged with seditious conspiracy.
your lawsuit chatter is not relevant. address the question. col eastman came up with the "theory" which he confessed to vp pence was a "minor" crime to further the seditious conspiracy by postponing the count to give time to local gop in states to replace real elector with gop fakes.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:04 am to CelticDog
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seditious conspiracy
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:06 am to CelticDog
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to further the seditious conspiracy by postponing the count to give time to local gop in states to replace real elector with gop fakes.
Well there is a procedure to contest the results and fake electors had to be in place already in case certification was flipped. There's nothing illegal or improper about any of this.

This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:07 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:12 am to woody1984
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One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened,” Brann added. “Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence.”
same as we have seen in dozens of trumpy kracken nonsense claims.
my favourite from some captain in arizona:
"its impossible."
td posters reposted that for a week even after it was debunked.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:13 am to CelticDog
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nonsense claims.
Youre the number one poster on this board when it comes to nonsense claims.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:14 am to BBONDS25
You have to type it in a way he understands
Your
the number one
poster on this board when
it comes to nonsense
claims.
Your
the number one
poster on this board when
it comes to nonsense
claims.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:17 am to burger bearcat
Is all Smoke screens to turn people’s heads away from the real corruption the Biden Administration, Democrats and some Rhinos are doing!
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:21 am to BBONDS25
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nonsense claims.
yes manslaughter charge i saw hyped on msnbc.
i think it was joyce Vance who teaches at Alabama.
might have been the one from michigan. as you well know i never claimed expertise.
i posted vs trump.
did you do hillary yet?
you so need a win you go to that manslaughter weekly.
lets see how this plays out.
fanni is raring to go.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:23 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:26 am to CelticDog
I perfectly understand people making the argument of “it isn’t what you know, but what you can prove”. It bothers me when people can’t just admit they are happy they are getting away with it and instead act like the system/government is not obviously corrupt about certain things.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:27 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's the argument/evidence for the fraud required for the conspiracy charges.
So making knowingly false claims is an element that needs to be proven in this case?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:30 am to Colonel Flagg
From the Time article...
Who did they really send the ballots to? It would be fair if they did this in every state. Instead, this mostly liberal group did this in the key states they thought they needed to win the election for Biden. Did they send them to every voter in the state? Or did they only send ballots to registered democratic voters in key areas?
I don't know the answers to these questions. But if they only sent them to dems or they (admittedly) sent them only in "key" states, they legally sort of stole the election. I personally have thought all along this is how they beat Trump. I just thought it was all the DNC and the Biden campaign. Trump's own campaign and the RNC failed to look to non-traditional means during the pandemic to get voters who normally don't vote (the ones he got in 2016) to all turn out, while this effort got all the democratic ones who didn't turn out in 2016 to cast mail in votes.
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In August and September, it sent ballot applications to 15 million people in key states, 4.6 million of whom returned them. In mailings and digital ads, the group urged people not to wait for Election Day.
Who did they really send the ballots to? It would be fair if they did this in every state. Instead, this mostly liberal group did this in the key states they thought they needed to win the election for Biden. Did they send them to every voter in the state? Or did they only send ballots to registered democratic voters in key areas?
I don't know the answers to these questions. But if they only sent them to dems or they (admittedly) sent them only in "key" states, they legally sort of stole the election. I personally have thought all along this is how they beat Trump. I just thought it was all the DNC and the Biden campaign. Trump's own campaign and the RNC failed to look to non-traditional means during the pandemic to get voters who normally don't vote (the ones he got in 2016) to all turn out, while this effort got all the democratic ones who didn't turn out in 2016 to cast mail in votes.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:30 am to burger bearcat
Opposing the party line is a crime against the state in the minds of demprogs.

Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:51 am to woody1984
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Personally, never saw a candidate coerce the VP into violating the constitution, or coerce and threaten state elected officials to change votes as we know he did in AZ and GA or conspire with multiple states to submit forged slate of electors.
Notwithstanding your description of events matching exactly what the prosecutor is claiming (with no evidence to support it to date), most of this stuff is lightly reported and described as standard election contestation tactics. Clinton sent fake electors to states, Gore availed himself of pretty much every tactic in 2000. The part about the VP is unique since there aren't many examples of a sitting president contesting the election for his second term, but strategizing a plan with your cabinet is not as insidious as you and Smith are making it out to be.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:54 am to OceanMan
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So making knowingly false claims is an element that needs to be proven in this case
For some of the charges, relying on false claims/beliefs to further some goal (be it outwardly making false claims or to further a conspiracy built around the false claims/beliefs) is a requirement.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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You have to type it in a way he understands
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:56 am to CelticDog
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fanni is raring to go.
You still haven’t read that transcript have you? Yet you still root for prosecuting political opponents. How very German of you.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:35 pm to GRTiger
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with no evidence to support it to date)
Not my job to provide evidence. That’s Smith’s job and since the DOJ’s conviction rate in court trials is over 99%, I feel he probably has some evidence. Have always heard the DOJ doesn’t bring a case to court they aren’t pretty sure they are going to win.
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