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re: 3 questions about Trump J6 case that don't make sense
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Again I don’t think any reasonable person planned to have to defend the scenario.
The two things perfectly coincided with each other. I don’t understand what you think I am ignoring.
Since you clearly took offense to the term “coincidence” I stated that wasn’t my intent. You clearly ignored I stated that.
Left-leaning group supposedly organizes to change the “election system” because OMB and he will inevitably call the system corrupt when he loses. A bioweapon release accidentally happens killing and putting millions at risk. Organization already working to change election system in ways people controversially disagree on use the virus to go above and beyond to change system. The changes create more weakness and potential for fraud than previous system ever contained. Trump loses with many thinking only because of these potential changes that created their own election system weaknesses. The Trump campaign could see Biden and opponents were weaponizing the crisis with mail-in-voting. At that point it was hard to fight back.
The two things perfectly coincided with each other. I don’t understand what you think I am ignoring.
Since you clearly took offense to the term “coincidence” I stated that wasn’t my intent. You clearly ignored I stated that.
Left-leaning group supposedly organizes to change the “election system” because OMB and he will inevitably call the system corrupt when he loses. A bioweapon release accidentally happens killing and putting millions at risk. Organization already working to change election system in ways people controversially disagree on use the virus to go above and beyond to change system. The changes create more weakness and potential for fraud than previous system ever contained. Trump loses with many thinking only because of these potential changes that created their own election system weaknesses. The Trump campaign could see Biden and opponents were weaponizing the crisis with mail-in-voting. At that point it was hard to fight back.
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Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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I didn't think there was a large enough population of dullards and cucks to have this sort of thing happen, but the Trump era has shown it is possible. Now, I'm not claiming Trump is a dictator b/c he's not smart or savvy enough to pull that off. Way too much of an emotional thinker who destroys his own momentum pretty often.
The thing that gives pause is that while Trump has no charisma or intelligence to be a dictator, it shows that a significant portion of the American populace is open to be led by one.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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We don't know that. Cite me the Appellate or USSC case establishing this.
I am a fancy conservative university legal scholar and that was what I told (at least one) of my friends that I am trying to get involved with the plan my other friends and I came up with. It is relevant to my state of mind I think.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:25 am to texas tortilla
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in a D.C. courtroom, he can prove what trump was thinking.
Yep
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:27 am to Fat Bastard
You linked, once more:
A previous tigerdroppings thread AND hereistheevidence.com.
The Supreme Court refusing to hear any case regarding the election is a direct rebuke to any claims to the contrary.
To date, there is conspiracy theory and conjecture about the election, but nothing that can pass a smell test for the courts has been brought forward.
And for not reiterating your points, you went on to list a number of things that 1. Don’t prove any conspiracy or fraud took place, and 2. Didn’t merit being heard by the Supreme Court because they were baseless claims with nothing to them.
The Supreme Court doesn’t believe you.
Mike Pence doesn’t believe you.
No one believes any of you. Leaves one to recognize where the blithering idiots actually are.
A previous tigerdroppings thread AND hereistheevidence.com.
The Supreme Court refusing to hear any case regarding the election is a direct rebuke to any claims to the contrary.
To date, there is conspiracy theory and conjecture about the election, but nothing that can pass a smell test for the courts has been brought forward.
And for not reiterating your points, you went on to list a number of things that 1. Don’t prove any conspiracy or fraud took place, and 2. Didn’t merit being heard by the Supreme Court because they were baseless claims with nothing to them.
The Supreme Court doesn’t believe you.
Mike Pence doesn’t believe you.
No one believes any of you. Leaves one to recognize where the blithering idiots actually are.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:32 am to Tmcgin
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You always know what he's thinking he says it all day
Right, but all he has said is that he won. How do they take it from that, to “he didn’t actually believe that”?
This whole thing hinges on “knowingly false claims”. They need to be specific about the claims that were made, and that he knew them to be false.
It’s all so flimsy. The worst part is the broad application of laws. This is just the beginning of abuse of power, regardless of party, it’s bad either way.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:35 am to CollegeFBRules
Ruling from Republican federal judge in PA in November 2020. Especially love the last paragraph.
A federal judge dealt a death blow to the Trump campaign’s effort to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s win of the presidency on Saturday, by dismissing a closely watched lawsuit that sought to invalidate millions of Pennsylvania votes.
“It is not in the power of this Court to violate the Constitution,” Judge Matthew Brann of the US District Court in the Middle District of Pennsylvania wrote on Saturday in a withering decision, hours after the final round of filings in the case came in. The judge wholeheartedly rejected the Trump campaign’s attempt to throw out the Pennsylvania vote, noting that Biden has won the state and results will be certified by state officials on Monday. Biden has a margin of more than 81,000 votes in the state.
“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened,” Brann added. “Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence.”
A federal judge dealt a death blow to the Trump campaign’s effort to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s win of the presidency on Saturday, by dismissing a closely watched lawsuit that sought to invalidate millions of Pennsylvania votes.
“It is not in the power of this Court to violate the Constitution,” Judge Matthew Brann of the US District Court in the Middle District of Pennsylvania wrote on Saturday in a withering decision, hours after the final round of filings in the case came in. The judge wholeheartedly rejected the Trump campaign’s attempt to throw out the Pennsylvania vote, noting that Biden has won the state and results will be certified by state officials on Monday. Biden has a margin of more than 81,000 votes in the state.
“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened,” Brann added. “Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence.”
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:37 am to CollegeFBRules
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The thing that gives pause is that while Trump has no charisma or intelligence to be a dictator, it shows that a significant portion of the American populace is open to be led by one.
Succinct way to say what I said
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:39 am to woody1984
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Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence
THIS is going to be the primary issue with Trump's "state of mind" defense, and will be obfuscated with data (not evidence) discovered AFTER January 6, 2021. Trump doesn't get to rely on information he could not have known at the time his alleged intent was forming.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:39 am to OceanMan
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that he knew them to be false.
Doesn’t matter if you know something is false or not, you are not allowed to break the law. It will be up to the prosecutor to prove he broke the law.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:43 am to burger bearcat
I don’t agree with your assessment at all, but it’s following all the Team Trump talking points that say it’s a free speech case of questioning a shady election.
There’s people that say the burden of proof has nothing to do with what Trump thought at the time but rather what he set out to do.
I guess all these questions will be answered when the case is presented.
It should be wildly entertaining.
There’s people that say the burden of proof has nothing to do with what Trump thought at the time but rather what he set out to do.
I guess all these questions will be answered when the case is presented.
It should be wildly entertaining.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:43 am to CollegeFBRules
applies to you and SFP also...............
most lefties on this site are delusional. look at the clown oklahog when it comes to election fraud. when dealing with him this applies.....
The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ''Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"
The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ''The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."
The king then declared: ''The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ''The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."
The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ''You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ''So why do you punish me?"
The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an arse, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand.
Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on.
most lefties on this site are delusional. look at the clown oklahog when it comes to election fraud. when dealing with him this applies.....
The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ''Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"
The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ''The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."
The king then declared: ''The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ''The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."
The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ''You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ''So why do you punish me?"
The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an arse, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand.
Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 9:45 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:45 am to Fat Bastard
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most lefties on this site are delusional.
I'm not a lefty. If CFBR is anything like he used to be, he isn't, either. We're both big free market guys, the opposite of leftism (and Trumpism).
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:47 am to Fat Bastard
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When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on.
Just curious, are you insinuating the last part of the sentence refers to you?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:47 am to texas tortilla
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hey, in a D.C. courtroom with that judge, trump doesn't have a chance
I’m guessing no amount of evidence then will convince you he is guilty. Kind of like the 2020 election, just claim that if you lose it’s because the process was rigged.
You can only lose of the process isn’t fair. Solid strategy to never lose.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:50 am to woody1984
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Doesn’t matter if you know something is false or not, you are not allowed to break the law. It will be up to the prosecutor to prove he broke the law.
Then why does the indictment say “knowingly false” 33 times?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:59 am to OceanMan
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Then why does the indictment say “knowingly false” 33 times?
If you read the indictment, paragraph 3 clearing states he can say whatever he wants even if he knows it’s a lie as part of free speech. However, legal experts say there is no freedom of speech in the planning of a conspiracy so the only thing I could guess, again not a lawyer, is they are claiming he used false statements in the planning of a conspiracy.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:13 am to woody1984
Yeah but why does it say it 33 times. And why is there a section titled
“The Defendant's Knowledge of the Falsity of His Election Fraud Claims”
“The Defendant's Knowledge of the Falsity of His Election Fraud Claims”
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:15 am to OceanMan
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Yeah but why does it say it 33 times. And why is there a section titled
“The Defendant's Knowledge of the Falsity of His Election Fraud Claims”
That's the argument/evidence for the fraud required for the conspiracy charges.
"Fraud" or some derivative (including "defraud") is used 152 times in the indictment.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:16 am to OceanMan
Have no clue but bet we will when it goes to trial, if it goes to trial.
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