re: 2023 March For Life (Edit: Pics Added!)

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Nope, words mean what people want them to say when that meaning is convenient to their cause. If we can decide to change the meaning of the word "vaccine" on a whim, then we can change the meaning of words we choose on a whim as well. It's a baby.

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It’s so sad when y’all use language like this to take away the rights of birthing persons and control what they do with their clump of cells

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Zealous abortion opponents are the only people who routinely insist that a fetus is a "child"

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The board understands you are a Sociopath who views children as objects.

Your opinion means dick....

How selective of you. I can do that too.

M-W:

3. an unborn or recently born person

Cambridge:

a person from the time of birth until he or she is an adult, or a son or daughter of any age

Dictionary.com

4. a human fetus:

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Where did I say that?

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You did not. It is Ooga. Expecting intellectual honesty from him is just a bridge too far.

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Expecting intellectual honesty from him is just a bridge too far.

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Is this the part where you curl up in the FETAL position and cry again?

Oh wait, you've admitted you admire trolling, nevermind....

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Expecting intellectual honesty from him is just a bridge too far.

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Hmmmm.....

I never called Rittenhouse a murderer....

I never claimed the McCloskeys' destroyed their own gate....

I never used a Media Matters article to slander people as White Nationalists....

I never linked to an OPINION INDEX as hard proof of any of my assertions.....

I never had a frothing, 13 year old school girl level meltdown about "trolling", only to turn around the next day and COMPLIMENT someone on their trolling....

I never lectured a black man on the "black community"....

I never lectured a gay man on the LGBQT community....

I don't think you want to argue about our records of "honest", intellectual or otherwise....

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have you EVER heard a pregnant woman refer to the "fetus" inside her?

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Yes.

But I have also heard them reference a "child" or a "baby." Expectant fathers, too.

This is not a context in which most people engage in complex legal analysis. Again, however, I was simply addressing Fattie's very specific (and erroneous) contention about the non-existence of any definition inconsistent with his personal biases.

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I routinely hear women say they're excited to see/have/etc. their "baby" or "child," but I've never heard one speak about how happy they are about their fetus.

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As a general rule, women who are happy about their pregnancies use the terminology that you cite. Women who do NOT want to be pregnant ... do not.

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has a human being ever given birth to a non-human being? Since I often hear people use arguments implying an unborn child is not a genetically-distinct person

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You have never heard that argument from ME. I do not pretend that a fetus is not a genetically-distinct organism of the species Homo Sapiens sapiens. That is an argument based in biology.

I simply contend that an early term fetus is not an organism which is (or should be) vested in legal rights superior to those of the pregnant female. That is an argument based in historical jurisprudence and in philosophy.

I see absolutely no reason that law must follow biology, rather than philosophy. To the contrary, I think it makes more SENSE to follow philosophy, even if following biology is "easier."

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I am the proud father of two beautiful girls. When the wife was pregnant, I attended most of the prenatal visits with her. I found it interesting that the (female) nurses always referenced the "baby," and the (male) obstetrician always referenced the "fetus." Make of that distinction what you will.

The SCOTUS returned abortion law to the states where it belongs. It did not make abortion illegal. This not about abortion vs anti abortion, it's about states rights vs federal Govt.