re: 2023 March For Life (Edit: Pics Added!)

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This is not a context in which most people engage in complex legal analysis. Again, however, I was simply addressing Fattie's very specific (and erroneous) contention about the non-existence of any definition inconsistent with his personal biases.

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I understand that... my larger point was just to say that, in most contexts, every person has an inherent understanding that an unborn child is, in fact, a child.

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You have never heard that argument from ME. I do not pretend that a fetus is not a genetically-distinct organism of the species Homo Sapiens sapiens. That is an argument based in biology.

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I was not trying to refer to you with that... it is just extremely difficult for me to parse an argument of saying, "this is a biologically distinct human being" while simultaneously saying, "this human being has no right to live."

There is NO circumstance I'm aware of in any legal system throughout Western Civilization that allows and excuses a human being's life being ended through no fault of their own.

We have laws at all levels of government that criminalize bird eggs from being destroyed, the disruption of sea turtle egg laying cycles, and on and on... yet a potential child is not protected until birth, in many jurisdictions.

There is simply no way, biologically or religiously, that I can understand a rationale and justification for abortion.

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Was there today, I think I saw two pro-choice signs all day. But I’m sure the media will focus on the counter-protest by pro-choice advocates

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We saw about 5 pro-abortion zealots at the very beginning of the rally and about 2 or 3 dozen on the steps of the Supreme Court at the very end... but we were at the very front of the march so we probably saw some people who gave up by the middle/end of the march, considering I think it had to stretch out over a mile or so.

Those are viable though

Don't abort in the third trimester

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This is what makes libertarians look bad. This cocksucker.

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Blast libertarians as you desire but Gnome is no libertarian. He is a boot-licking Statist of the first order.

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Expecting intellectual honesty from him is just a bridge too far.

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Says the board’s CIA loving “libertarian.”

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We have laws at all levels of government that criminalize bird eggs from being destroyed, the disruption of sea turtle egg laying cycles, and on and on

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without being flippant, you really are comparing apples to bird eggs here. We do not protect those things because they have rights. We protect them, because they are extraordinarily rare, and we do not want their species to disappear from the Earth. By comparison, there are 7 billion humans, and there will be 8 billion in a few years, regardless of whether we abort a few pregnancies.

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There is simply no way, biologically or religiously, that I can understand a rationale and justification for abortion.

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I understand that, and I sympathize with it. The simple fact is that you have a completely different outlook on the matter, and your position is entirely consistent with your outlook. I suspect that is largely religion-based, and that you think the fetus/baby has some inherent value greater than other plants, or animals on this planet.

I do not share that viewpoint. Humans are just another species of ape. There's nothing particularly special about us, other than sapience. Once the ability to think has emerged, there is something special. Prior to that, not so much. Whether we are talking about a fetus or an oak tree, absent an ability to think, I do not think that rights should vest. Absent legal rights in the fetus, there is absolutely no justification for interfering with the rights of the pregnant woman. Again, it is just a completely different outlook.

and now, at least one of your compatriots will engage in a series of personal attacks upon me, simply, because I view the world differently than they do. Stop a minute and compare that inevitable response to the way in which I responded to you.

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There's nothing particularly special about us, other than sapience.

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So there is, quite literally, nothing special about you then.

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Whether we are talking about a fetus or an oak tree

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