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2020 was a mostly fair election but there's good news
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:33 pm
In 2020 Trump saw his margins drop in 43 states. Those states include red, blue and purple states. Including states with voter ID laws, states without ballot harvesting and states without certain voting machines. The outlier states are CA, HI, NV, AR, FL, UT and IL.
He also had his margins drop in 319 Congressional Districts. (6 of 7 districts in AL, 4 of 4 in MS, 3 of 6 in LA, 9 of 9 in TN, 3 of 3 in WV, 12 of 13 in NC, etc... even dark blue states had similar drops 10 of 10 in WA, 5 of 5 in OR, 8 of 9 in MA)
He had improvements to margins in 116 districts. 76 of those districts were from five states. (31 in California, 13 in Florida, 12 in New York, 10 in Texas and 10 in Illinois)
Biden beat Trump 224 to 211 in all Congressional Districts. Democrats beat Republicans 222 to 213.
Overall vote totals
Biden 81,283,501
House Democrats 77,122,690
Trump 74,223,975
House Republicans 72,466,576
But Republicans didn't challenge in 19 districts. While Democrats left 8 seats unchallenged. Factoring out those districts the votes change
Biden 80,365,173
House Democrats 77,122,690
Trump 72,468,312
House Republicans 72,466,576
So where did Biden's extra 3 million votes come from? Mostly from outperforming House Dems by small amounts here and there. But there were some larger gaps.
In Colorado Biden was +125,000, +100,00 in FL, +116,000 in IL, +128,000 in LA, +112,000 in MI, +162,000 in MN, +48,000 in NE, +69,000 in NJ, +160,000 in NY, +227,000 in OH, +55,000 in OR, +113,000 in PA, +362,000 in TX, +54,000 in UT.
That represents all sorts of states. In order to believe in theft, you'd have to believe theft occurred everywhere. Even in some dark red states.
Trump meanwhile had some miserable showings compared to House Republicans.
In Arizona Trump was -67,000, -28,000 in GA, -37,000 in KY, -51,000 in MD, -50,000 in MS, -28,000 in NE, -98,000 in OH, -23,000 in OK, -54,000 in PA, -27,000 in SC, -60,000 in SD, -36,000 in TX, 85,000 in VA, -51,000 in WI.
Again this represents every type of state.
The bottom line is that Trump lost ground everywhere on election day compared to his 2016 margins. He won narrowly vs Hillary and dropped a few points in 2020.
The good news is that your vote still counts. Do Democrats cheat, sure. They always have. But elections are still worth participating in.
The bad news is some people have profited off of selling a lie to Trump's supporters. You might want to hold those people accountable in the future.
He also had his margins drop in 319 Congressional Districts. (6 of 7 districts in AL, 4 of 4 in MS, 3 of 6 in LA, 9 of 9 in TN, 3 of 3 in WV, 12 of 13 in NC, etc... even dark blue states had similar drops 10 of 10 in WA, 5 of 5 in OR, 8 of 9 in MA)
He had improvements to margins in 116 districts. 76 of those districts were from five states. (31 in California, 13 in Florida, 12 in New York, 10 in Texas and 10 in Illinois)
Biden beat Trump 224 to 211 in all Congressional Districts. Democrats beat Republicans 222 to 213.
Overall vote totals
Biden 81,283,501
House Democrats 77,122,690
Trump 74,223,975
House Republicans 72,466,576
But Republicans didn't challenge in 19 districts. While Democrats left 8 seats unchallenged. Factoring out those districts the votes change
Biden 80,365,173
House Democrats 77,122,690
Trump 72,468,312
House Republicans 72,466,576
So where did Biden's extra 3 million votes come from? Mostly from outperforming House Dems by small amounts here and there. But there were some larger gaps.
In Colorado Biden was +125,000, +100,00 in FL, +116,000 in IL, +128,000 in LA, +112,000 in MI, +162,000 in MN, +48,000 in NE, +69,000 in NJ, +160,000 in NY, +227,000 in OH, +55,000 in OR, +113,000 in PA, +362,000 in TX, +54,000 in UT.
That represents all sorts of states. In order to believe in theft, you'd have to believe theft occurred everywhere. Even in some dark red states.
Trump meanwhile had some miserable showings compared to House Republicans.
In Arizona Trump was -67,000, -28,000 in GA, -37,000 in KY, -51,000 in MD, -50,000 in MS, -28,000 in NE, -98,000 in OH, -23,000 in OK, -54,000 in PA, -27,000 in SC, -60,000 in SD, -36,000 in TX, 85,000 in VA, -51,000 in WI.
Again this represents every type of state.
The bottom line is that Trump lost ground everywhere on election day compared to his 2016 margins. He won narrowly vs Hillary and dropped a few points in 2020.
The good news is that your vote still counts. Do Democrats cheat, sure. They always have. But elections are still worth participating in.
The bad news is some people have profited off of selling a lie to Trump's supporters. You might want to hold those people accountable in the future.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 2:35 pm
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:38 pm to JoeHackett
Edited slightly from an earlier post I made, which makes the choice clear. Do we nominate a winner or a loser?
Ron is the only candidate who actually wants to win. Remember Kari Lake? She told people not to vote for her?
Remember Dr. Oz? He had no platform other than "Trump endorsed me" and didn't even live in Pennsylvania.
Remember John Gibbs? He primaried out a moderate republican in a D+4 district which voted for Biden by 10 points. He didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of actually winning and he knew it.
Remember Joe Kent? Same story as John Gibbs.
Remember Tudor Dixon? That should have been an easy race to win against one of the worst governors in America. Instead, she didn't focus on the issues and instead made her platform "I love Trump"
The list goes on and on, and a clear pattern emerges. Trump's hand-picked candidates, who had no qualifications and platform besides a Trump endorsement, all failed spectacularly. Hell, even J.D. Vance, who managed to win, underperformed Mike DeWine by 10 points--you don't see Vance tying himself to Trump all that much anymore.
Contrast this with Ron. He had important legislative accomplishments and kept the campaign focused on the issues. He then won a state which twice voted for Obama with 59% of the vote--he even won major cities like Tampa, Palm Beach, and Miami.
So the choice is clear. Do we nominate a winner or a loser?
Ron is the only candidate who actually wants to win. Remember Kari Lake? She told people not to vote for her?
Remember Dr. Oz? He had no platform other than "Trump endorsed me" and didn't even live in Pennsylvania.
Remember John Gibbs? He primaried out a moderate republican in a D+4 district which voted for Biden by 10 points. He didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of actually winning and he knew it.
Remember Joe Kent? Same story as John Gibbs.
Remember Tudor Dixon? That should have been an easy race to win against one of the worst governors in America. Instead, she didn't focus on the issues and instead made her platform "I love Trump"
The list goes on and on, and a clear pattern emerges. Trump's hand-picked candidates, who had no qualifications and platform besides a Trump endorsement, all failed spectacularly. Hell, even J.D. Vance, who managed to win, underperformed Mike DeWine by 10 points--you don't see Vance tying himself to Trump all that much anymore.
Contrast this with Ron. He had important legislative accomplishments and kept the campaign focused on the issues. He then won a state which twice voted for Obama with 59% of the vote--he even won major cities like Tampa, Palm Beach, and Miami.
So the choice is clear. Do we nominate a winner or a loser?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:38 pm to JoeHackett
quote:
mostly
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:39 pm to JoeHackett
If Joe Biden really got 80 million votes this country has no path forward. The better option is civil war.
I do not believe Joe Biden got 80 million votes. So your entire diatribe is a non starter.
I do not believe Joe Biden got 80 million votes. So your entire diatribe is a non starter.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:40 pm to ItNeverRains
quote:
If Joe Biden really got 80 million votes this country has no path forward. The better option is civil war.
How about you take your meds and be realistic?
How about we focus on winning elections instead of schizoposting?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:40 pm to Gifman
quote:
mostly
It means that I'm not saying Democrats don't cheat. But they would have needed to cheat everywhere in order to achieve the results of the 2020 election. Even in the reddest state in the country. In reddest districts in the reddest states.... It's silly to hold onto the idea that Trump was cheated out of 2020.
I am saying plainly something that you don't want to even think about. It's fascinating to me.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:41 pm to ItNeverRains
Wheres the book from anyone on Joe Biden campaigns team on how they got 81 million votes?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:42 pm to TIGERHOLD
quote:
How about you take your meds and be realistic?
It's almost like a religion for some of them. They don't want to believe something, so it must not be true.
People who hate Trump = about 81,000,000 eligible voters. Biden's got nothing to do with it.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:43 pm to JoeHackett
Its actually worse that Biden is the most popular president ever.
Like thats way worse than cheating because this cant be fixed.
Like thats way worse than cheating because this cant be fixed.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:45 pm to TIGERHOLD
quote:
Edited slightly from an earlier post I made, which makes the choice clear. Do we nominate a winner or a loser?
If desantis loses then you nominated a loser and can never vote for him again.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:45 pm to JoeHackett
OP
Also OP
quote:
It's silly to hold onto the idea that Trump was cheated out of 2020.
Also OP
quote:
2020 was a mostly fair election
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:48 pm to Clyde Tipton
Mostly as in Democrats have always cheated. Even in 2016, 2012, 2008....
Trump lost in 2020 with or without cheating. He underperformed vs his 2016 margins in 43 states.
Alabama -2.26%
Alaska -4.67%
Arizona -3.80%
Colorado -8.59%
Connecticut -6.43%
Delaware -7.60%
Georgia -5.36%
Idaho -1.00%
Indiana -2.84%
Iowa -1.21%
Kansas -5.97%
Kentucky -3.90%
Louisiana -1.03%
Maine -6.11%
Massachusetts -6.26%
Maryland -6.79%
Michigan -3.01%
Minnesota -5.60%
Mississippi -1.26%
Missouri -3.24%
Montana -4.05%
N. Carolina -2.32%
N. Dakota -2.39%
New Hampshire -6.98%
New Jersey -1.83%
New Mexico -2.57%
New York -.64%
Nebraska -6.00%
Ohio -.10%
Oklahoma -3.31%
Oregon -5.10%
Pennsylvania -1.88%
Rhode Island -5.27%
S Carolina -2.59%
S Dakota -3.63%
Tennessee -2.79%
Texas -3.41%
Virginia -4.79%
Vermont -9.01%
West Virginia -3.14%
Washington -3.49%
Wisconsin -1.40%
Wyoming -2.90%
Trump lost in 2020 with or without cheating. He underperformed vs his 2016 margins in 43 states.
Alabama -2.26%
Alaska -4.67%
Arizona -3.80%
Colorado -8.59%
Connecticut -6.43%
Delaware -7.60%
Georgia -5.36%
Idaho -1.00%
Indiana -2.84%
Iowa -1.21%
Kansas -5.97%
Kentucky -3.90%
Louisiana -1.03%
Maine -6.11%
Massachusetts -6.26%
Maryland -6.79%
Michigan -3.01%
Minnesota -5.60%
Mississippi -1.26%
Missouri -3.24%
Montana -4.05%
N. Carolina -2.32%
N. Dakota -2.39%
New Hampshire -6.98%
New Jersey -1.83%
New Mexico -2.57%
New York -.64%
Nebraska -6.00%
Ohio -.10%
Oklahoma -3.31%
Oregon -5.10%
Pennsylvania -1.88%
Rhode Island -5.27%
S Carolina -2.59%
S Dakota -3.63%
Tennessee -2.79%
Texas -3.41%
Virginia -4.79%
Vermont -9.01%
West Virginia -3.14%
Washington -3.49%
Wisconsin -1.40%
Wyoming -2.90%
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:50 pm to TIGERHOLD
quote:
How about you take your meds and be realistic? How about we focus on winning elections instead of schizoposting?
Point
Your head.
Joe Biden in no way shape or form received 80 million legitimate votes. Your itch to sling insults is affecting your reading comprehension.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:51 pm to JoeHackett
fixed: 2020 was a SELECTION, but the bad news is:
That is a whole lot of crap to read when only 3(obiden math) words are necessary:
dominion/2000 mules
That is a whole lot of crap to read when only 3(obiden math) words are necessary:
dominion/2000 mules
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:54 pm to JoeHackett
quote:
The bad news is some people have profited off of selling a lie to Trump's supporters. You might want to hold those people accountable in the future.
Who profited from selling a lie to Trump supporters?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:54 pm to JoeHackett
quote:
But they would have needed to cheat everywhere in order to achieve the results of the 2020 election
Unequivocally false.
They only needed to cheat in Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Phoenix.
The 5 counties representing those cities were the deciding factor in the swing states responsible for giving Biden the election.
In each of those counties voting centers closed, monitors were ejected, oversight rules were ignored and during the overnight hours Trump lost his margins. They identified using the voting systems who hadn't voted on election day and then manufactured votes for Biden after hours to erase any gaps that they needed in those swing states, with many precincts hitting 100% turnout and close to or actual 100% vote blocks being dropped in favor of Joe Biden.
The GOP wanted Trump out and McConnell had agreed behind the scenes not to pursue it because the DC establishment all had dirt on Biden and knew he would play ball and saw Trump as uncontrollable.
You want to argue about national vote margins we can talk about ballot harvesting which impacted overall counts and were obviously not representative of actual voters, but mostly impacted the margins he lost states that he wasn't going to win otherwise and congressional races which otherwise would've gone GOP.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:56 pm to JoeHackett
He underperformed from 2016 but gained more votes than any incumbent president ever!
Posted on 7/7/23 at 2:59 pm to tide06
quote:
Unequivocally false.
They only needed to cheat in Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Phoenix.
These are differences between Trump's 2016 and 2020 margins in PA. Numbers in parentheses are negative. Trump saw his biggest gain in margin in the bluest district in the state. He lost ground throughout every part of that state. He didn't just lose in Philly.
(3.86)
7.02
0.70
(4.73)
(2.90)
(5.78)
(3.73)
(5.12)
(3.56)
(6.02)
(4.06)
(0.34)
(1.36)
(1.56)
0.40
(1.32)
(5.27)
(2.53)
Posted on 7/7/23 at 3:00 pm to lake chuck fan
quote:
Who profited from selling a lie to Trump supporters?
Mostly Trump.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 3:03 pm to JoeHackett
quote:
2020 was a mostly fair election but there's good news
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