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2020: Smoke and Fire
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:49 am
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:49 am
Many on this board are clearly in the camp that the 2020 election was stolen. I see broad comments to that effect, but most don’t elaborate on how. So what’s your prevailing theory?
My gut feeling is that there probably was low-tech corruption (ballot harvesting, stuffing, etc) in a handful of strategic states….just enough to tip the scales in a tight race.
I’ve never bought into the more elaborate, high-tech theories because those pushing them early on never produced the goods to my knowledge. I also think the GOP’s success down-ballot complicates some of those theories.
So I have 3 questions:
1. If you think there was fraud, was it high-tech, low-tech, or both?
2. What’s the most convincing evidence you’ve seen.
3. If you’re convinced that a widespread, systematic fraud was successfully used to sway the election in 2020, what’s the point in participating at all in 24?
Thanks for indulging a middle-aged redneck’s curiosity.
My gut feeling is that there probably was low-tech corruption (ballot harvesting, stuffing, etc) in a handful of strategic states….just enough to tip the scales in a tight race.
I’ve never bought into the more elaborate, high-tech theories because those pushing them early on never produced the goods to my knowledge. I also think the GOP’s success down-ballot complicates some of those theories.
So I have 3 questions:
1. If you think there was fraud, was it high-tech, low-tech, or both?
2. What’s the most convincing evidence you’ve seen.
3. If you’re convinced that a widespread, systematic fraud was successfully used to sway the election in 2020, what’s the point in participating at all in 24?
Thanks for indulging a middle-aged redneck’s curiosity.
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:56 am to Sharlo
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1. If you think there was fraud, was it high-tech, low-tech, or both?
What does it matter? Fraud is fraud.
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2. What’s the most convincing evidence you’ve seen.
It's illegal to boot out opposing party watchers, yet continue counting the votes after they are out of the room. Do you even fake water leak bro? Not a single vote should be counted without poll watchers present. Not. A. One.
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3. If you’re convinced that a widespread, systematic fraud was successfully used to sway the election in 2020, what’s the point in participating at all in 24?
We hope good people do good things. It's hope at the end of the day. Shall we just roll over and accept fraud in your opinion?
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:02 am to Sharlo
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1. If you think there was fraud, was it high-tech, low-tech, or both?
You cant have one without the other
You have to have the tech to get instant info on deaths, incarcerated, confined, relocated, married status, previous voting history, etc. That info was stored in the ERIC system, then supplied to the boots on the ground
The grounds people then had to access a supply of ballots that would pass the security measures of the tech. Someone had to get them the sufficient number of ballots, as well as names and addresses to use to print the correct ballot. More tech
Then you had to have privately funded drop boxes. So that in key areas, they could be stuffed undeterred. More groundwork
In La. they have this down to a science. Harvesting ballots in areas of certain towns no one goes into. And buses running all day to get you to as many polling places as possible. Its a legit campaign expense to "get out the vote" in certain cities
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:06 am to idlewatcher
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What does it matter? Fraud is fraud.
It matters because there’s a huge difference between dealing with a handful of rogue precincts vs something top-down and systemic.
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Not a single vote should be counted without poll watchers present. Not. A. One.
100%.
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Shall we just roll over and accept fraud in your opinion?
No. I just question the wisdom of playing along and hoping for the best. Seems naive.
I’m of the mind that our entire electoral process is f*cked and needs a dramatic overhaul.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:06 am to Sharlo
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If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.
- Mark Twain
Absentee ballots, booting poll watchers, remote voter drop boxes, 11:00 pm eastern stopping of all counting, etc. It’s not hard to see it if you want to look, yet we will do it all over again in November.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:06 am to Sharlo
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see broad comments to that effect, but most don’t elaborate on how. So what’s your prevailing theory?
This has been elaborated on here incessantly since Nov of 2020.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:11 am to Sharlo
Forget the hacking... it's always just been the universal mail-ins. The democrats had more harvesters to collect/forge ballots and there was little to no accountability with signature verification. Once those states stopped counting (simultaneously ), they figured out how many mail-ins they needed to produce to win.
), they figured out how many mail-ins they needed to produce to win.Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:11 am to RobbBobb
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You cant have one without the other You have to have the tech to get instant info on deaths, incarcerated, confined, relocated, married status, previous voting history, etc. That info was stored in the ERIC system, then supplied to the boots on the ground
Interesting. This seems more plausible. My earlier reference to tech was in the direction of national level manipulation of voting machine data, as was pushed by many but never proven in my opinion.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:14 am to Gifman
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Forget the hacking... it's always just been the universal mail-ins.
Yeah that’s the banana republic stuff that seems most likely/ possible to me.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:18 am to Sharlo
Above all, unaccounted for, unverified “mail in ballots” make this election completely fraudulent.
1. Most meaningful was low-tech fake ballot counting but highly coordinated by the uniparty. FNC calling AZ for Biden inexplicably early with Trump up in the count was the signal. Everything waterfalls from there (in GA, literally waterfalled).
2. Look at the dynamics of the counts. The inexplicable jumps at 3AM, all of the bellwether states going to Trump, hiding from cameras, then video evidence of pulling out boxes from under the tablecloth late at night. Down ballot votes not matching POTUS vote totals, no signature matching, etc. A preponderance of the evidence points to fraud, fraud, fraud.
3. You have to hope that some of the same dynamics aren’t allowed to be played out. This is sort of a one-last-try to do this through an “election.” Whatever follows, you have to give this one last try.
1. Most meaningful was low-tech fake ballot counting but highly coordinated by the uniparty. FNC calling AZ for Biden inexplicably early with Trump up in the count was the signal. Everything waterfalls from there (in GA, literally waterfalled).
2. Look at the dynamics of the counts. The inexplicable jumps at 3AM, all of the bellwether states going to Trump, hiding from cameras, then video evidence of pulling out boxes from under the tablecloth late at night. Down ballot votes not matching POTUS vote totals, no signature matching, etc. A preponderance of the evidence points to fraud, fraud, fraud.
3. You have to hope that some of the same dynamics aren’t allowed to be played out. This is sort of a one-last-try to do this through an “election.” Whatever follows, you have to give this one last try.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:22 am to Sharlo
Its not complicated. Harvesting votes, an ambiguously illegal act, was the difference in the election. How do we know? Because Trump was trouncing Biden prior to these votes being added, and dems were willing to sue Jesus over all of the messy, invalid mail-ins because they KNEW it was the path to victory.
That's not to say there wasnt outright fraud. There certainly was, but perhaps not in the numbers needed to flip a state.
That's not to say there wasnt outright fraud. There certainly was, but perhaps not in the numbers needed to flip a state.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:27 am to Sharlo
1. Both
2. Statistics, the shutting down of counting election night, hours of video evidence from mass ballot dropping, multiple counting, video of fraudulent signature matching, mass attack via internet and news of anyone questioning election, gps tracking of election mules, news on companies like GBI, thousands of sworn affidavits
3. We can't give up, and we need to overwhelm election rigging attempts by mass voting with real voters.
2. Statistics, the shutting down of counting election night, hours of video evidence from mass ballot dropping, multiple counting, video of fraudulent signature matching, mass attack via internet and news of anyone questioning election, gps tracking of election mules, news on companies like GBI, thousands of sworn affidavits
3. We can't give up, and we need to overwhelm election rigging attempts by mass voting with real voters.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:34 am to Sharlo
I think there was a lot of fraud and I think the deep state, sent out fake rabbit holes to send Trump supporters down false rabbit holes. One example is the German server farm gunfight.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:37 am to wickowick
They started planning for this in 2016, as soon as, the fraud to get Hillary in wasn't enough.
Hopefully, we have enough smart and dedicated people planning and positioning to stop it this election. Not just for president, but Senate and House seats. Also for AGs, SOSs, and Governors.
Hopefully, we have enough smart and dedicated people planning and positioning to stop it this election. Not just for president, but Senate and House seats. Also for AGs, SOSs, and Governors.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:38 am to Sharlo
Basically, if they could think of a way to cheat, they did it.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:44 am to Sharlo
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What’s the most convincing evidence you’ve seen.
Expert shows how to tamper with Georgia voting machine in security trial
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:53 am to Sharlo
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see broad comments to that effect, but most don’t elaborate on how. So what’s your prevailing theory?
States illegally changed their voting laws. This isn’t a debate. State supreme courts have ruled that is what happened.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:12 pm to Sharlo
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Not a single vote should be counted without poll watchers present. Not. A. One.
Are we talking over the shoulder watchers? Doesn't help matters at all if they have to stand behind the 10 ft. line.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:42 pm to Sharlo
The 'steal' was mostly enabled by the censorship campaign by the govt and the propaganda campaign by the mass media.
IF there had been uninhibited flow of information to the population, it could not have worked. As it was, there was such a large subset of the population that believed everything coming from the govt and the media - so of course it made 'sense' to them that the hatred of Trump was so massive that people DID send in their ballots by the millions just to keep him out of office.
They refused to discuss any of the improbabilities associated with the way the ballots were counted because the result suited their sincerely held belief that Trump had to be defeated.
None of this could have occurred with a truthfully informed electorate.
edit - I will even admit to having this feeling myself.
in the 2000 election, the Florida snafu with the punch cards was probably a mistake that gave the election to Bush. HOWEVER, there were so many other factors (including the media propaganda bias) that went the other way that I was satisfied the "right" result had occurred.
HOWEVER, I suspect that if the entire election hinged on the accuracy of that one precinct, I think it would have gone the other way.
And I am OK with that.
IF there had been uninhibited flow of information to the population, it could not have worked. As it was, there was such a large subset of the population that believed everything coming from the govt and the media - so of course it made 'sense' to them that the hatred of Trump was so massive that people DID send in their ballots by the millions just to keep him out of office.
They refused to discuss any of the improbabilities associated with the way the ballots were counted because the result suited their sincerely held belief that Trump had to be defeated.
None of this could have occurred with a truthfully informed electorate.
edit - I will even admit to having this feeling myself.
in the 2000 election, the Florida snafu with the punch cards was probably a mistake that gave the election to Bush. HOWEVER, there were so many other factors (including the media propaganda bias) that went the other way that I was satisfied the "right" result had occurred.
HOWEVER, I suspect that if the entire election hinged on the accuracy of that one precinct, I think it would have gone the other way.
And I am OK with that.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:53 pm to Tesla
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You have to hope that some of the same dynamics aren’t allowed to be played out. This is sort of a one-last-try to do this through an “election.” Whatever follows, you have to give this one last try.
Ugh. I guess.
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