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re: 2 of the 4 Sniper Teams were Local Cops
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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It should be, but we're dealing with local LEO. But SS approves plans relying on that weak link all the time, so it's clear that's a failing strategy. I'm curious if future operations will decrease reliance on local LEO, which will have ripple effects (like possibly fewer events being approved in open spaces like this)
This “it’s because it was just local LEO” seems like a red herring to me.
Of course they have to involve local law enforcement. That wasn’t the issue.
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:26 am to Longhorn Actual
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Some of you simply don’t know what you’re talking about and the speculation weakens the argument (that we’re in agreement on).
What is your expertise with this situation?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
One time he worked a radio at an event with USSS.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:30 am to Earnest_P
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This “it’s because it was just local LEO” seems like a red herring to me.
SFP has certain fixations he's not allowed to escape from.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:30 am to Earnest_P
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This “it’s because it was just local LEO” seems like a red herring to me.
Why?
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Of course they have to involve local law enforcement. That wasn’t the issue.
If local LEO cant do their part reliably, then that is a major issue
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What is your expertise with this situation?
A couple decades of experience, often directly supporting USSS with their protective operations, including POTUS, VPOTUS, and FPOTUS details.
They get our help when the threat is extremely high and they need SMEs on the AO (war zones, conflict areas, etc.).
And to alleviate the issues with relaying info over comms, I was usually right in the middle of things so I could directly communicate with the SL running the show.
Because we supported them often enough, we actually went through all the training so that we could seamlessly integrate with them when needed.
Not going into any more detail than that.
That good enough for you?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:36 am to Longhorn Actual
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They get our help when the threat is extremely high and they need SMEs on the AO (war zones, conflict areas, etc.).
Who is "you?"
Seems to me the SS totally dropped the ball in this situation. I'm not sure how anyone can see it differently.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:37 am to Longhorn Actual
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Not going into any more detail than that.
That good enough for you?
Figures.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:37 am to the808bass
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One time he worked a radio at an event with USSS.
Thats what it sounds like to me.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:37 am to AUstar
My prediction is that there will now be a mass media propaganda campaign to absolve the Secret Service from blame.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Who is "you?" Seems to me the SS totally dropped the ball in this situation. I'm not sure how anyone can see it differently.
They did drop the ball. I don’t see it differently.
We’re in agreement that it was a massive failure.
You can easily read through my post history. If you can find where I said otherwise, feel free to quote it.
I think it’s generally a good thing for people to be informed with good information, so when I have time, I don’t mind offering it up.
You are free to take it or leave it.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:44 am to Champagne
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My prediction is that there will now be a mass media propaganda campaign to absolve the Secret Service from blame.
The standard Progressive tactic is to revile locals and promote federals.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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One time he worked a radio at an event with USSS.
Thats what it sounds like to me.
I answered your question with as much detail as I’m going to. The fact that you can’t figure it out only further shows your unfamiliarity.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Snipers being in on the plan by being told not to shoot = more people in on the plan.
Snipers weren’t told “hey we are planning this big thing so make sure not to shoot, ok?”
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
You are such a sham. You talk in circles all while believing you’re some sort of savant. You’re an idiot.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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If local LEO cant do their part reliably, then that is a major issue
“Make sure nobody puts a ladder here and climbs up it with a rifle” = their part.
They literally didn’t pay attention to that building. That’s not an issue of capability.
Someone/some group of people was NEGLIGENT. Would an alternative to local LEO have been less likely to be negligent? I don’t know.
The point is it doesn’t take high level forces to prevent what happened here. Anyone could have easily prevented it and someone either intentionally or unintentionally did not.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 9:05 am
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Hey that’s a Louisiana larder. You better tread carefully.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:06 am to Cromulent
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You talk in circles all while believing you’re some sort of savant.
Never really saying anything in the process.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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If local LEO cant do their part reliably, then that is a major issue
I'll give you this, it is AN issue.
BUT it's not the major issue. The major issue is that the closest high ground with clear line of sight to the target was not manned by a USSS person and clearly not secured. THAT's the USSS fricking job. THey don't write speeding tickets. They don't arrest drunk drivers. Their whole reason to exist is to assess surroundings and ensure there is no danger to their responsibility.
They failed at that.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:09 am to the808bass
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But someone did. And it was two minutes + from the time he is seen crawling on the roof with a gun until he opens fire. So this is, at the very best, the worst frickup in the history of the Secret Service.
Exactly. Dude acts like it matters if local was supposed to cover it verses USSS. Somebody should have been posted on that building. Even if it’s just another spotter. But the fact they had 4 sniper teams and not one was on that roof or solely responsible for covering that roof?
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