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re: 17-year-old is on life support after being shot by San Antonio officer at McDonald's
Posted on 10/12/22 at 12:53 pm to squid_hunt
Posted on 10/12/22 at 12:53 pm to squid_hunt
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simple question that was obviously avoided by the media and politicians attempting to canonize this kid as the next George Floyd. I just want to know if he was a kid with a future or a car jacking thug
You have no idea what you're talking about. That is the closest McDonald's to Churchill High School (caddycorner to my office building) on the same road (Blanco Rd.). Kids his age stop there daily for breakfast/lunch. Also, this isn't a high crime area of town. Kids his age eating in their cars at that location are the most common sight in the world, especially on school mornings.
There was zero reason for this cop to have adopted the stance he did RE: this situation.
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 12:54 pm to squid_hunt
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Also a claim, random stranger on the internet.
Also a correct observation, mijo
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:00 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:00 pm to Sam Quint
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cop doesnt have the right to approach or speak to someone? you believe a cop is breaking the law every time he walks up to someone to ask questions about a situation? that's pretty dumb.
No, he has the right, sure. But the person he approaches HAS THE SAME RIGHT TO IGNORE HIM! Do you understand rights? Freedoms?
If a law isn't broken, a person can tell an officer to GFY and there is nothing legally a cop can do. If a cop escalates the "situation " after that, then yes, he's committing a violation of rights.
Grabbing this kids car door was an illegal attempt to search a vehicle he had NO right to legally touch.
Again, what part of a person's rights don't you understand?
You are the problem
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:03 pm to idlewatcher
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Try driving away from a cop and see what happens.
Who knows what will "happen". But the LAW says you have every single right to do so, unless there's a suspicion or commitment of a crime.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:05 pm to blueboy
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'm thinking non-compliance gets you show way more often.
And the cop goes to jail. The issue is not compliance, it's the underlying reason the cop was trying to make you comply in the 1st place. If that's not determined to be legit, cop does life
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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There was zero reason for this cop to have adopted the stance he did RE: this situation.
It's almost as if cops are human beings.
Some of them are great folk, some of them are garbage.
Initial observation puts this cop in the latter category.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:15 pm to squid_hunt
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it's not irrelevant,
“Nothing that that officer did that night were in accordance with our training or our policies,"
“but that the shooting was "unjustified, both administratively and criminally."
“you’re too stupid to understand why”
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given the current media narrative and it is relevant to my well being and that of my society.
Meanwhile you’re in here advocating for a society where cops can runaround shooting people on a whim with impunity.
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You have spent a remarkable amount of time trashing someone
Accurately pointing out facts like your staggering stupidity and cowardice is not trashing.
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asking a simple question that was obviously avoided by the media and politicians attempting to canonize this kid as the next George Floyd.
Oh so that’s your next incredibly stupid pivot. At least you’ve given up on “I don’t know if the department knows”
Today is October 12. This piece of shite you are defending shot an unarmed, non-threatening 17 year old on October 2. A week and a half has passed. Where are the marches, protests, riots, etc for this “next George Floyd”?
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I just want to know if he was a kid with a future or a car jacking thug before I decide how I feel about it and that offends you
No you don’t. You’re hoping it’s the latter, despite the fact it is completely irrelevant to the unjustifiable, out of compliance actions of the piece of shite you’re defending.
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Why do rational fact based decisions bother you?
Quite the opposite actually. And you’re too stupid to provide those, despite your comical belief otherwise.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:21 pm to oogabooga68
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It's almost as if cops are human beings.
Some of them are great folk, some of them are garbage.
Initial observation puts this cop in the latter category.
Bingo. Correct on all counts.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:21 pm to SagginInRefelct
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No, he has the right, sure. But the person he approaches HAS THE SAME RIGHT TO IGNORE HIM! Do you understand rights? Freedoms?
If a law isn't broken, a person can tell an officer to GFY and there is nothing legally a cop can do. If a cop escalates the "situation " after that, then yes, he's committing a violation of rights.
Grabbing this kids car door was an illegal attempt to search a vehicle he had NO right to legally touch.
Again, what part of a person's rights don't you understand?
You are the problem
settle down. i mostly agree with you. especially regarding the cop escalating the situation which he 100% did. i'm just saying it's not as black and white as you seem to think it is regarding what is "legal" for the cop to do. the cop was definitely well within his rights approaching the kid to see if it was potentially the same guy that ran from him. he MAY have been within his rights to open the door (that would be a probable cause argument, which I am generally against...but legally he was probably within his rights), he was definitely within his rights to tell the kid to get out of the car.
obviously none of this makes the shoot a good shoot, and the cop should be charged with a crime.
also saying "you are the problem" is like the weakest internet arguing shite there is.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:24 pm to oogabooga68
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It's almost as if cops are human beings.
Some of them are great folk, some of them are garbage.
Initial observation puts this cop in the latter category.
The problem is there are too many "garbage" cops, whether they're garbage because of character or poor training, that's a different discussion. The bigger question is whether or not this type of incident is happening too often. There's a lot of evidence that it is.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:25 pm to David_DJS
almost certainly training. i sincerely doubt this dude was out just looking to shoot a kid at McDonalds.
but who knows.
but who knows.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:30 pm to Sam Quint
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i sincerely doubt this dude was out just looking to shoot a kid at McDonalds.
I wouldn't assume this. He may not have been looking to shoot the kid, but there's a lot of his behavior that makes you question whether or not he was looking to frick with that kid.
Why did he park where he did?
Why weren't his lights flashing?
Why did he go immediately to opening that door, rather than getting the kids attention like most cops do?
Training? Maybe. But there's an equally plausible explanation.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:33 pm to David_DJS
all valid points. i'm basing my opinion on the fact that he was a rookie. he probably had his blood up from whatever else he was called out to do at McDonalds, saw that car and thought it was the same kid, and then lost his mind. the entire situation in my opinion was based on the cop letting his emotions overtake his actions, and that to me shows a lack of training, poor training, or both.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:34 pm to David_DJS
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Why did he park where he did?
That's basically the only place to park there in the mornings. Sincerely cramped parking lot.
No excuse for the rest of it, but that's a reason for the first question.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:36 pm to squid_hunt
quote:you are an absolute idiot
that was obviously avoided by the media and politicians attempting to canonize this kid as the next George Floyd
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:59 pm to the808bass
quote:Still not an argument for non-compliance.
Complying with cops greatly reduces your chances of getting shot. It does not reduce them to zero.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 2:04 pm to the808bass
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The video doesn’t look great for anyone.
The driver could clearly see it’s a police officer (assuming he’s in uniform). He processes it and decides the best action is to drive off.
The police officer shoots a guy who is not putting him in any imminent danger.
It only looks bad for the cop.
no citizen should be shot for a cop just because an officer is coming up to your car when you clearly have been doing nothing. Sorry thats a shite excuse.
Too many, even in this thread, love to throw away their rights and freedoms because "just comply"
imo you can't be a conservative, and be okay with throwing away your personal freedoms just because its easier. Screw that.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 2:07 pm to Sam Quint
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you believe that was a chargeable crime? i think it was STUPID, but i dont think it was ILLEGAL
yes...it absolutely is illegal.
an officer can't just rip your door open with no warning.
as a citizen, how do you know its a cop? because of the uniform and car? you can buy those uniforms online.
Cops have rules too, and if they arent following them then not only are they impeding your personal liberties, but they are also creating distrust.
its the same as the Breonna Taylor thing. You come through my door at 3am, with a no knock warrant in plain clothes, I don't care if you say youre police...I have no clue...and im shooting
*respectfully posted. I know these convos can get heated and that would be a terrible thing.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 2:08 pm to WeirdFlex
Cops are gonna take yalls guns and people here gonna still be talking about backing the badge
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