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re: 1,600 scientists, including two Nobel laureates, declare climate 'emergency' a myth
Posted on 9/1/23 at 1:00 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 9/1/23 at 1:00 am to NC_Tigah
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But they do!
They have to.
Without that position, they have no climate baseline for comparison.
But they don’t though. Literally no one. Except maybe you who simply want them to, but other than that literally no one says that the Earths climate doesn’t change. Again because you seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension:
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Nobody argues the present temperature. The delta in it is all that matters, and if it’s accelerating and by how much. And ultimately what is driving it.
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Posted on 9/1/23 at 6:21 am to DavidTheGnome
quote:You'll notice the difference between you and I here is you're dodging.
That’s not what I said, but I was never talking about a climate emergency. Again and read carefully because we keep going in circles.
Again I'll ask, you don't believe there is a climate crisis or a climate emergency demanding our immediate attention? If you believe there is, why not admit it? Why dodge?
quote:"Climate emergency" is the topic of the thread. It was the topic in a link you posted. IMO "climate emergency" is stark raving antiscience lunacy (see, that's not hard
You’re trying to insert things into the conversation that weren’t being discussed.
). The reason we are "talking in circles" is because when you as a poster regurgitate rote with such a shallow underlying understanding that you feel compelled to dodge or deflect straightforward questions about your belief(s), I typically return to that point to help you come to grips with the insecurity ... and perhaps help you recognize the flaws in your stance.
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As I'm sure you recognize, the injection of "emergency or crisis" crosses a threshold of subtlety. It implies there is an established norm, gross deviation from it, and modeling on-point establishing dangerous increase.
e.g., You refer to "the temperature delta." But the point of comparison is not a natural baseline temperature (because that is unknown). The comparison is with past temperature. Those past numbers are fed into predictive atmospheric forcing modeling equations. But predictive models have inevitably been off. In science, that fact should have sent scientists scurrying back to question their hypothesis. Instead of reassessing the hypothesis, the models and inputs were/are "tweaked" to better align with expectations. That, my friend, is not quality science. It is bullshite.
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 8:24 am
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:22 am to DavidTheGnome
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A 2013 study found that some 97 percent of peer-reviewed research on climate change was in agreement:
Show me the credentials of those. I am telling you that there is no climate major or advanced degree unless it is a contrived one with some sort of connection to academic pabulum of marxism or socialism - the climate degree equivalent of womens studies, critical race studies.
I worked in the Physics Lab at a NASA location (I have to be careful or I could doxx myself). I worked with some of the most "QUALIFIED" scientists who had climate expertise. They were engineers, Masters and doctorates in things that ARE NOT called climate.
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Looking at the list of signatories, there are a lot of engineers, medical doctors, and petroleum geologists and almost no actual climate scientists,
as I just said as someone with experience around this field...
quote:Yeah, ol Zeke possessing the qualifications to denigrate the list of impressive experts who ARE qualified to make the statement. Bet there is non-state actor funding at his "BREAKOUT INSTITUTE".
said Zeke Hausfather, a longtime research scientist at Berkeley Earth, a non-partisan nonprofit that specializes in analyzing climate data, and the former director of climate and energy programs at the Breakthrough Institute, another independent environmental research firm.
"Berkely Earth". Hmm, LOTS of credibility there
I further bet that they received word to jostle out the resistance to the list of real experts
I further bet that whoever wrote the piece you paste doesnt have the first clue about anything science related but is a part of the cadre of little junior communists with journalism degrees that replaced real journalism in the last 10 years
I stand by it - this is an incredibly impressive list of scientists. Your lack of understanding actual science is leading you to be a victim of propagandists wishes and whims.
Werner von Braun was recruited by our government to Huntsville, Alabama after WWII. He was one of the leading rocket scientists in the world and designed German rockets and developed our Mercury and Appollo rockets that took people to the moon.
I personally worked with several of his immediate colleagues that came with him from Germany (they were loutish bullies, but that is another story)
Werner von Braun had a degree in Mechanical Engineering as did most of the Germans.
I worked around "rocket scientists" in one of the foremost leading scientific research operations and facilities. SERIOUS SCIENCE (including quite a few who know more about climate than your Jake FatherHaus from Berkely). They were all engineers and doctorates. In fact, it could be said I am a "rocket scientist".
There was no degreed rocket science just like there is no legit degree in 'climate' but I worked with the worlds best right there in the foremost Physics facility regarding space rocketry.
and climate...
Read the list. The list is impressive. Your junior communist article unfortunately is designed to mislead
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 7:50 am
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:59 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Well, it is a basic necessity ofs peaking about things of which they know nothing and understand little.
You'll notice the difference between you and I here is you're dodging.
The hubris of leftists, besides knowing nothing, is that they:
- know how to change the planetary climate system
- know the correct amount of change it requires and in what direction
- and armed with about 150 years of measurements know how 10+ billion years of planetary mechanism works
People with this little gravitas and possessing this much hubris are dangerous. Of course, I believe that is already well established...
...and demonstrated in this thread
Keep up the good work, Doc... How is that reshaping of the medical process I suggested coming along? I know you probably dont remember it
Posted on 9/1/23 at 8:07 am to DavidTheGnome
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These and other lines of evidence point conclusively to the fact that the elevated CO2 concentration in our atmosphere is the result of human activities.
Yeah, no shite. What your quotes don't show is that this tiny increase in CO2 is affecting global temperatures. It's great to say CO2 increased 40%; that sounds like a lot. But increasing from 250 to 411 parts per million sounds like very little.
If one million was represented by a football field's 100 yards between goals, the increase in CO2 since the stone age would be 0.6 INCHES! Barely more than half of an inch. If you gained that much on every play you would need 600 plays to get a first down.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 8:12 am to Penrod
quote:CO2 FOLLOWS temperature change
Penrod
It lags it by approximately 800 years. Always has
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 8:17 am
Posted on 9/1/23 at 8:13 am to DavidTheGnome
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the vast majority of the declaration’s signatories have no experience in climate science at all, and the group behind the message—the Climate Intelligence Foundation, or CLINTEL—has well-documented ties to oil money and fossil fuel interest groups.
Of course not. There are not 1600 people in the entire world who are qualified as experts in this. But that doesn't stop the climate hoaxers from putting out declarations signed by thousands of "experts". So don't be abashed when your opponents do the same stupid stuff.
And "links to oil money"? Well, where else would they get the money to afford to study this. You have the climate equivalent of Anthony Fauci corruptly doling out all of the money only to scientists who support his point of view. THAT's the scam - that the scientific community is being bribed by politicians.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:46 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:well since there was an atmosphere at least
CO2 FOLLOWS temperature change
It lags it by approximately 800 years. Always has
dems gonna destroy the planet like they destroy everything
FCK karl marx right in the eye socket
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:57 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:like you
Read the list. The list is impressive. Your junior communist article unfortunately is designed to mislead
Posted on 9/1/23 at 10:44 am to taylork37
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Real or not, this is certainly not some gotcha.
Lot of engineers and computer science guys on that list. People that understand applied science, theromdynamics, and the limitations of computer modeling. If you have an argument against their inclusion you should make it but pretty sure your STEM education didn't go much beyond vinegar and baking soda volcanoes.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:05 am to djmed
Ending the climate crisis is going to lose some people lots of money.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:06 am to i am dan
quote:it is not being ended, it is being exposed for what it is
Ending the climate crisis is going to lose some people lots of money.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:17 am to taylork37
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:27 am to djmed
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:51 am to Hognutz
quote:of course
The weather is being affected by man, but certainly not as we're told.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 12:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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IMO "climate emergency" is stark raving antiscience lunacy
Posted on 9/1/23 at 3:33 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
anyone else notice the departure of certain low intellect communist supporters?
Posted on 9/1/23 at 4:35 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:You are a dumb arse. There is no qualification for you to speak about any of this topic.
There’s no such thing as a climate scientist? Really? Jesus
I guess it’s just a lot of biologists and such that study the weather and climate historically in their free time.
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Besides, one part of the HOAX that you dont yet understand apparently:
There is almost no such thing as a "climate scientist" and all of this list are highly qualified the the realm of understanding climate
If you’re calling people out for swallowing propaganda perhaps look into the mirror
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This thread is becoming bizarre though I guess people who know nothing about it except propaganda dont understand even the basics of the lies they have been told.
proof of the lack of critical thought being trained in our education system.
Worse - you dont know why you dont know.
and worse still - you gobble up pathetic propagandist cheerleaders who also have not critical thought ability
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:52 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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This thread is becoming bizarre though I guess people who know nothing about it except propaganda dont understand even the basics of the lies they have been told.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:48 am to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:Damn conspiracy theorist…..
This thread is becoming bizarre though I guess people who know nothing about it except propaganda dont understand even the basics of the lies they have been told.
Amirite?
Cozy.
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