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re: 16 Senate Dem’s vote no to pass the NO FENTANYL ACT
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:46 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:46 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
It makes sense after reading the names. They're so evil.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:58 pm to Adajax
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P.S. Georgia, you can do better.
If only the crybaby Georgians in 2020 had voted in the Senate runoff in 2020, Warnock would not be a senator. But they somehow thought Loeffler was to blame for the steal. She's now Trump's choice for Director of the Small Business Administration (taking over student loan duties from the DOed.
Then reps had another chance to get rid of him in 2022 but Trump got involved and so Herschel Walker got the nomination, and did well enough to force it to a runoff, but lost the runoff. A better candidate would have won.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 4:59 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
The republicans have to take back GA both seats
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:00 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
frick all 16 of them, communist, frickers
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:01 pm to wdhalgren
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I doubt this bill goes after medical use, but have no idea what's in it.
That's what I was wondering.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:10 pm to rtr72
So, I wonder if those 16 are on the payroll of the Cartels…
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:12 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
I haven't read the bill, but what I would like to see is exceptionally stiff penalties for adding Fentanyl to any other drug or selling as anything other than Fentanyl.
The biggest problem is people who wouldn't take Fentanyl ODing because they thought they were taking a safer drug.
Adding Fent to other drugs or misrepresenting Fent should be treated as harshly as murder (up to and including the death penalty)
The biggest problem is people who wouldn't take Fentanyl ODing because they thought they were taking a safer drug.
Adding Fent to other drugs or misrepresenting Fent should be treated as harshly as murder (up to and including the death penalty)
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:33 pm to mtntiger
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I don't care what reasons they could come up with. Their reasons are moronic and have no merit. Period.
Well, the reasons are just a thumb tap away right there in Elon’s X app.
If you ask Grok3 what those reasons are, here’s the response:
Senator Cory Booker voted against the HALT Fentanyl Act because he believed it failed to address the root causes of the opioid crisis and could exacerbate existing problems. In his view, the legislation’s approach of permanently classifying all fentanyl-related substances as Schedule I drugs—without assessing their potential harms or benefits—relied too heavily on criminalization rather than public health solutions. Booker argued that this blanket classification could hinder research into fentanyl analogues, some of which might have therapeutic potential, such as overdose reversal treatments. He also expressed concern that the bill’s expansion of mandatory minimum sentences would disproportionately harm communities already affected by an unjust criminal justice system, offering "false hope" to families impacted by the epidemic. Instead, he advocated for measures like increased access to treatment, overdose prevention tools, and scientific evaluation of fentanyl-related substances to tackle the crisis more effectively. This stance aligns with his broader push for policies that prioritize recovery and prevention over punitive measures.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:35 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Lots of pharma money in those names
Why exactly I am not sure
Why exactly I am not sure
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:37 pm to Willie Stroker
And when I ask Grok3 to debunk Booker’s reasons, I get this:
Let’s break down and address Cory Booker’s concerns about the HALT Fentanyl Act one by one, offering counterpoints rooted in the bill’s intent and practical implications.
1. **"Fails to address root causes of the opioid crisis"**
Booker argues the bill focuses on criminalization rather than root causes like addiction or socioeconomic drivers. However, the HALT Fentanyl Act targets the immediate supply-side threat: illicit fentanyl flooding the market, often via cartels. By permanently classifying fentanyl-related substances (FRS) as Schedule I, it aims to disrupt trafficking networks responsible for over 70,000 overdose deaths in 2023 alone, per CDC data. While it doesn’t directly fund treatment, it complements demand-side efforts by choking off the deadliest contributor. Critics could argue that without supply, demand persists—but the counter is that reducing availability saves lives now, buying time for longer-term solutions.
2. **"Hindering research into fentanyl analogues"**
Booker worries that Schedule I status stifles research into potentially beneficial analogues, like overdose reversal drugs. This overstates the barrier. Schedule I doesn’t ban research; it requires DEA approval and strict protocols—already standard for controlled substances. Fentanyl itself, a Schedule II drug, is heavily researched for medical use (e.g., anesthesia). The National Institute on Drug Abuse notes that Schedule I substances like LSD have active research programs. The bill’s focus is on illicit analogues, not vetted compounds, and exceptions can be made via the FDA’s regulatory process if a specific analogue shows promise. The risk of delaying research is outweighed by the immediate threat of untested, lethal variants.
3. **"Disproportionate harm from mandatory minimums"**
Booker’s concern about mandatory minimums disproportionately impacting marginalized communities assumes the bill broadly targets low-level offenders. In reality, it emphasizes traffickers and distributors—those moving large quantities across borders or into communities. The DOJ has increasingly prioritized high-level prosecutions under similar laws, with 2023 data showing 60% of fentanyl cases involved over 400 grams, far beyond personal use. Mandatory minimums deter organized crime, not just punish users, and the bill includes provisions for judicial discretion in sentencing. Historical data from the 1980s crackdown on cocaine trafficking suggests supply-focused enforcement can reduce street-level harm when paired with treatment funding—which Congress has separately boosted via the SUPPORT Act.
4. **"False hope" vs. effective action**
Booker calls the bill “false hope” for affected families, favoring treatment and prevention. Yet, families of overdose victims often demand tougher action against traffickers—see advocacy from groups like Families Against Fentanyl. The bill’s permanence replaces a temporary scheduling order (in place since 2018), which reduced fentanyl seizures by 25% per CBP stats, suggesting real impact. Treatment is critical, but it’s not an either/or choice—stopping the flow of poison amplifies recovery efforts by reducing exposure risk.
In short, Booker’s objections lean on valid principles—treatment over punishment, equity in justice—but misjudge the bill’s scope and urgency. The HALT Fentanyl Act isn’t a cure-all, but it’s a pragmatic tool to stem a crisis killing thousands monthly, not a blunt instrument against the vulnerable.
Let’s break down and address Cory Booker’s concerns about the HALT Fentanyl Act one by one, offering counterpoints rooted in the bill’s intent and practical implications.
1. **"Fails to address root causes of the opioid crisis"**
Booker argues the bill focuses on criminalization rather than root causes like addiction or socioeconomic drivers. However, the HALT Fentanyl Act targets the immediate supply-side threat: illicit fentanyl flooding the market, often via cartels. By permanently classifying fentanyl-related substances (FRS) as Schedule I, it aims to disrupt trafficking networks responsible for over 70,000 overdose deaths in 2023 alone, per CDC data. While it doesn’t directly fund treatment, it complements demand-side efforts by choking off the deadliest contributor. Critics could argue that without supply, demand persists—but the counter is that reducing availability saves lives now, buying time for longer-term solutions.
2. **"Hindering research into fentanyl analogues"**
Booker worries that Schedule I status stifles research into potentially beneficial analogues, like overdose reversal drugs. This overstates the barrier. Schedule I doesn’t ban research; it requires DEA approval and strict protocols—already standard for controlled substances. Fentanyl itself, a Schedule II drug, is heavily researched for medical use (e.g., anesthesia). The National Institute on Drug Abuse notes that Schedule I substances like LSD have active research programs. The bill’s focus is on illicit analogues, not vetted compounds, and exceptions can be made via the FDA’s regulatory process if a specific analogue shows promise. The risk of delaying research is outweighed by the immediate threat of untested, lethal variants.
3. **"Disproportionate harm from mandatory minimums"**
Booker’s concern about mandatory minimums disproportionately impacting marginalized communities assumes the bill broadly targets low-level offenders. In reality, it emphasizes traffickers and distributors—those moving large quantities across borders or into communities. The DOJ has increasingly prioritized high-level prosecutions under similar laws, with 2023 data showing 60% of fentanyl cases involved over 400 grams, far beyond personal use. Mandatory minimums deter organized crime, not just punish users, and the bill includes provisions for judicial discretion in sentencing. Historical data from the 1980s crackdown on cocaine trafficking suggests supply-focused enforcement can reduce street-level harm when paired with treatment funding—which Congress has separately boosted via the SUPPORT Act.
4. **"False hope" vs. effective action**
Booker calls the bill “false hope” for affected families, favoring treatment and prevention. Yet, families of overdose victims often demand tougher action against traffickers—see advocacy from groups like Families Against Fentanyl. The bill’s permanence replaces a temporary scheduling order (in place since 2018), which reduced fentanyl seizures by 25% per CBP stats, suggesting real impact. Treatment is critical, but it’s not an either/or choice—stopping the flow of poison amplifies recovery efforts by reducing exposure risk.
In short, Booker’s objections lean on valid principles—treatment over punishment, equity in justice—but misjudge the bill’s scope and urgency. The HALT Fentanyl Act isn’t a cure-all, but it’s a pragmatic tool to stem a crisis killing thousands monthly, not a blunt instrument against the vulnerable.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:37 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
I notice J. Ossoff from GA didn’t vote NO. You can tell whose up for reelection in ‘26.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:42 pm to wdhalgren
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What does the bill say?
As we've all learned, the title of a bill, referendum, NGO, etc., can be misleading
One of your esteemed senators voted for this, why don't you ask him.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:43 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
How can anyone support that
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:53 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Sanders, Warren, Murphy and Schiff
FOLLOW THE MONEY.
FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:03 pm to BHTiger
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Sanders, Warren, Murphy and Schiff
FOLLOW THE MONEY.
I don't know anything about Murphy but those other three only did it to spite Trump. I don't think they are being funded by cartels. It's just a TDS vote.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:03 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
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16 Senate Dem’s vote no to pass the NO FENTANYL ACT
I hate headlines like this. What's in the act? I'm not saying they're right but a headline is not the whole bill. Dems have tried this numerous times.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:08 pm to deeprig9
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I don't know anything about Murphy but those other three only did it to spite Trump. I don't think they are being funded by cartels. It's just a TDS vote.
They are lapdogs of pharma.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:24 pm to geoag58
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One of your esteemed senators voted for this, why don't you ask him.
I haven't lived in Georgia for a long time. But I'd never waste my time asking a politician for information. They lie for a living and most have a nominal understanding of the issues on which they vote.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:48 pm to Adajax
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Georgia, you can do better
Not if they don't take steps to stop the steal
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