re: 100 Mosques randomly surveilled. 81 of them preaching jihadism and hatred of non-Muslims”

Why we would allow them here after 9/11 is wild.

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It’s the same “God”. It’s an Abrahamaic faith

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Since you haven't responded to the points I made, it's not surprising that you are still getting this wrong. They're not the same

You’re correct. Islam is considered an Abrahamic religion. But it doesn’t matter. The adherents to that religion have been a scourge since the 6th century. Most Christians understood this until modern times.

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It was done over hundreds of years of propaganda and coercion

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Ok. Prove it. Precisely who did this? Name names.

I get that you're not aware of this but you are using a rhetoric trick called hurling the elephant. You just throw a bunch of stuff out there without substantiating any of it.

Again, if this was accomplished over such a long period of time, why are there still alleged vestiges of polytheism in the Bible that you can detect? How in the world were these references not culled?

Also, how was a group of people able to accomplish this over such a long period of time? That's a multi generational effort. You just haven't given ANY specifics of how such a thing could be accomplished.

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Jews and Christians alike acknowledge powerful beings that rival their “one true God” (see Ephesians 6:12) but that only one of them is worthy of worship and only one gets the modern English label of “God”.

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This is all still false and I have repeatedly refuted it from multiple angles

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One of the very “monotheism verses” in the Bible literally is saying only listen to “our god” which presupposes the existence of other gods.

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Your misunderstanding does not constitute any sort of presupposition. Again, you are misunderstanding that the idea meant actual literal supernatural beings as opposed to personal "gods" that people turn to. RC Sproul called it "cosmic treason." Again, it is a historical fact that Judaism as a whole was never anything but monotheistic and you just quoted a proof text.

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They didn’t. Polytheism is still all throughout the modern Bible. Sure they tried to erase some of it but they failed.

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You don't see it do you? This is proof that what you are promoting is completely ad hoc. You say it's polytheism, until it's not. You say it's monotheism, until it's not. It's ridiculous, moronic and childish.

If they weren't able over hundreds of years to erase vestiges of polytheism, how were they able to convince anyone? Contradictory proof was still right in front of them in their foundational documents and all around them in their neighbors. This is so stupid and infantile

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They tried to replace “sons of God” (bene El) with “sons of Israel” (bene YisraEl).

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Israel were literally "God's people." The two characterizations are identical. People who are Israelite are literally sons of God.

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In the older more original version we have the other gods of heaven rejoicing and bowing down to worship Yahweh

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It's not a reference to "gods of heaven" because other translations mention "nations." As in contrasting between God's people (sons of God/Israel) and pagans/false gods (nations). You've highlighted an example of saying the same thing in different ways.

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Open a history book

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Says the revisionist.

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Babylonians and Assyrians....

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You typed a bunch of words and didn't answer the question. Why did they descend into the Levant and only pluck 1 allegedly tiny tribe out of several that all allegedly look the same? It makes no sense

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the Yahweh-only worship in Judah only began maybe in the Persian period but more likely during the Greek period

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Again, this ahistorical bullcrap can't account for the prophets who were preaching traditional Judaism way way wayyyy before all that. Hundreds and hundreds of years before the Greeks or Persians were involved in the area.

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historians and biblical archaeologists

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Name them. For once, substantiate what you're asserting. I'm most curious to see a list of Jewish scholars who agree with this nonsense. The last time I proved you wrong with a list of scholars who disagree, you ran to the children's favorite - the genetic fallacy. "oH bUt tHoSe eXpErTs dOnT cOuNt. wE cAn oNlY cOuNt tHe oNeS I lIKe."

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The prophets’ constant excuse as to why they were defeated

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Oh so the monotheism of the prophets WAS around beforehand. Thank you for admitting that. The "polytheism came first" garbage is all wrong. And BTW, the prophets were not always defeated.

I'm amazed at how much effort you've put into misunderstanding even the simplest of biblical concepts.

And you STILL haven't responded to all of the refutations

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Historically it is accepted that the three religions refer to the same God and muslims "claim" that, but Islam was not originated by Muhammad until the 17th century. He was a failed soldier and pedofile and at least two of their biggie beliefs seem to come from his own views, not God's. The two are, 1. Kill those who disagree with you, and 2. Treat women as property/objects and be sexually obsessed. Those two are not inspired/approved by God, so I submit that Islam does not worship God as revealed to Abram/Abraham, but the god they created by worshiping Muhammad and his screwed up, male centric views. I mean, it appears to be the perfect "man religion" - kill those you dislike and screw who you wish.

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Fair enough.

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Precisely who did this? Name names

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One example. The first ecumenical Christian council of Nicaea, called by Roman Emperor whose name was Flavius Valerius Constantinus, sometimes called Constantinus Magnus. Propaganda, coercion, and threats of economic and legal ruin were used to get folks in line about the aspect of Jesus - was he divine or was he a man. 325CE

They didn’t always keep records of this kind of thing but in this case they did.

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You just throw a bunch of stuff out there without substantiating any of it.

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I had and always do. If you choose to reject all those facts because they hurt your feelings, that’s on you.

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Again, if this was accomplished over such a long period of time, why are there still alleged vestiges of polytheism in the Bible that you can detect? How in the world were these references not culled?

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I gave you direct examples of this practice how some of it was edited and redacted by scribes. My best explanation as to why there’s so much polytheism in the Bible is that they just didn’t get it all, and much of the books were basically locked and widely distributed prior to them going “monotheism” - which is a modern term that they wouldn’t have understood. Because there’s literally no monotheism in the Bible.

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Also, how was a group of people able to accomplish this over such a long period of time? That's a multi generational effort. You just haven't given ANY specifics of how such a thing could be accomplished.

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Over hundreds of years of people skinning goats and turning them into parchment, the worn out scrolls had to be re-written. Opportunities presented to make changes when copying texts. This is basic stuff.

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Jews and Christians alike acknowledge powerful beings that rival their “one true God” (see Ephesians 6:12) but that only one of them is worthy of worship and only one gets the modern English label of “God”.

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This is all still false and I have repeatedly refuted it from multiple angles

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No, it’s true and you haven’t. I know you don’t like it and you wish that it wasn’t, but you haven’t provided any evidence to counter mine, because you have none.

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Your misunderstanding does not constitute any sort of presupposition. Again, you are misunderstanding that the idea meant actual literal supernatural beings as opposed to personal "gods" that people turn to

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It’s unfortunate you are so stupid. Simply put, telling people to only listen to one god, because that god is their god, presupposes there are other gods they could be listening to. The Bible says not only to not worship the other gods but also not to do their will. Having will implies a consciousness, not inanimate objects or “fake gods”.

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This is so stupid and infantile

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You are very.

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It's not a reference to "gods of heaven" because other translations mention "nations." As in contrasting between God's people (sons of God/Israel) and pagans/false gods (nations). You've highlighted an example of saying the same thing in different ways.

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No, stupid, it’s not a translation difference. The source texts are different. The oldest copies from the Dead Sea scrolls and from the Septuagint talk about the gods in the skies. The Masoretic Text, which is much younger has been edited to remove some of the polytheism.

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You typed a bunch of words and didn't answer the question. Why did they descend into the Levant and only pluck 1 allegedly tiny tribe out of several that all allegedly look the same? It makes no sense

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Because they didn’t, stupid. They relocated / exiled parts of the populations of every people group they conquered. If you’d open a history book this is completely verifiable to anyone who isn’t a lazy piece of shite.

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Again, this ahistorical bullcrap can't account for the prophets who were preaching traditional Judaism way way wayyyy before all that. Hundreds and hundreds of years before the Greeks or Persians were involved in the area

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You’re presupposing those prophetic works are all ancient and historical. That’s your problem. It’s stating you in the face if you were to read those prophetic works. The Israelite religion, led by the kings of Israel and Judah, were polytheistic. That’s that the “prophets” complain about in the writings.

Even if those prophets really were prophets and really existed… assume that for a second. They were a spec of sand on the beach in terms of their religious behavior. Everyone else around them were worshipping all the gods of heaven, led by the kings who the Bible chastised for worshipping all the gods of heaven. That was part of Israelite culture and religion. They worshipped all the gods of the Canaanite pantheon. That is an archaeological fact, and the Bible actually matches known history in this subject.

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The last time I proved you wrong

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That never happened

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list of scholars who disagree, you ran to the children's favorite - the genetic fallacy. "oH bUt tHoSe eXpErTs dOnT cOuNt. wE cAn oNlY cOuNt tHe oNeS I lIKe."

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Do you see any irony or hypocrisy there?

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Oh so the monotheism of the prophets WAS around beforehand. Thank you for admitting that

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I admit nothing of the sort. I don’t even believe those “prophets” were real historical people. They are characters in a mythical fable.

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The "polytheism came first" garbage is all wrong.

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No, that polytheism came first, and still exists in the Bible is a fact. And there is no monotheism. Monolatry - sure, but not monotheism. Read the New Testament- believers will become sons of the most high god and become divine (Theos) but not become THE God capital G.

One more thing while I’ve got you.

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Yahweh is jealous of the other sons of El

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Still false. All throughout scripture, false gods are called just that. They were never "real" on an equal plane with YHWH. They might have been real in a phenomenal sense but NEVER in a noumenal sense.

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The Hebrew word for “jealous” in exodus 20 means a resentment due to a divided loyalty in an interpersonal relationshi

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Which harmonizes exactly with my explanation of hamartia

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You think exodus 20:3 says “you shall have no (fake) gods before me”?

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Absolutely and I explained precisely why.

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it literally means in Hebrew “you shall not have other gods beside my face.”

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Sigh. Yes, I explained this. You even mentioned divided loyalty. The concept all throughout scripture is in regards to people giving their loyalty to something worldly as opposed to YHWH who is not worldly

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The context is that the Israelites had images or sculptures representing Yahweh in their temples

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Not always and the prophets prove that. The prophets did not always have to preach and they did not always have to preach to everyone. They were "called up" when needed.

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The basis for which is that they believed the other gods were very powerful and very real

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You can keep saying this but it continues to be false in a thoroughgoing sense. It will never be true because it is ahistorical

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Yahweh wanted all the Israelites’ devotion instead of sharing it with the other deities

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YHWH wants devotion from EVERYTHING worldly. Have you ever heard of the 7 deadly sins?

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they didn’t believe the golden bull was a god. It was an idol that represented their patron deity, Yahweh

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The text isn't 100% clear on that but it doesn't matter. The point I was making was in reference to worshipping something worldly as opposed to YHWH

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oh, it does matter. Just admit you were wrong.

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4And he received the gold from their hand and fashioned it with a graving tool and made a golden calf. And they said, “These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!”

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In chapter 32, they make a golden bull as an idol to use in worshipping Yahweh. Who just appeared to all of Israel a few chapters earlier in flames and smoke? Who were they following out of Egypt? Which deity were they physically following? Yahweh, of course.

How can we be sure. You say it isn’t 100% clear, but you are full of shite. The next verse says…

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5When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it (the golden bull). And Aaron made a proclamation and said, “Tomorrow shall be a feast to the LORD (Yahweh).”

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They are not real like YHWH is real.

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The late Dr. Michael Heiser would say you are committing blasphemy, that it dishonors Yahweh to say he is better than imaginary gods, that he is king of imaginary gods, that he is high above imaginary gods, that he will judge imaginary gods, that he will inherit the whole earth from imaginary gods. You can continue to be retarded, but others on here should do some research (and maybe read Heiser’s works) and understand that the biblical authors very much believed in the reality of real gods who rivaled Yahweh and this can be seen spelled out in the NT period in Ephesians 6:12.

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Thoroughgoing polytheism, no. It makes no sense. The prophets were Judaic. Why would they be preaching conservative traditional Judaism if polytheism had been the religion all along? It makes no sense. And this is all supposedly hundreds of years before the "switch" to monotheism. You've never explained the timeline.

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Those prophets most likely didn’t exist as historical figures, but if they did, the works supposed to have been written by them are largely or wholly pseudepigraphic. From Judges to Samuel to Kings and much of the “prophetic” works - all that was written or at least heavily redacted and edited post exile. Pre-Babylonian conquest the Israelite and Judahite religions were polytheism but with Yahweh being worshipped as the patron deity of Jerusalem. Other gods were worshipped in each city - Beth Shemesh was for Shemesh the Canaanite sun god. Beth Anat was for Anat the Canaanite goddess of war. Beth Dagon was for the fish deity. Beth-El - temple of El Elyon. Beth Lehem - Lehem was a Canaanite fertility deity they borrowed from the Akkadian deity Lahmu.

Yerushalayim… foundation of Shaylim - the Canaanite sunset deity.

The first temple was run by the king of Jerusalem. The books of kings says every single king except Josiah and Hezekiah that ever lived was a filthy polytheist who worshipped all the gods of heaven. The worst was Baal and Asherah.

Hellooooo!!! The Bible authors are telling you Judah and Israel was completely polytheistic under all the kings and the judges for that matter, though the book of judges is completely fictional, the books of kings did contain some history.

The “switch” was the “returning” priestly class who built the second temple funded by Cyrus the Great, emperor of Persia, who was Yahweh’s chosen messiah. Their overlords, the Persians, only worshipped one god, and they ruled the world. The new religion was a replacement for the old polytheistic Canaanite religions. The new religion had one supreme deity, like their Persian masters. So in the Persian period they got to monolatry. Even while Paul was writing, all they had was monolatry. It was centuries later that the Jews and Christians began to assert there was only one god.

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The cry of a loser. When questioned to substantiate your retarded views, you can't.

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They aren’t my views. Everything I learned I got it from respected scholars in the field. The ones who made it their life’s work to get a PhD and research material for decades and write peer reviewed literature and such.

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Paul was a Gnostic

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Laughably false

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Paul believed that he and his followers possessed secret knowledge that had been revealed to him, and that knowledge of Yahweh’s death in heaven (crucified by the other gods - “Archons of this Age”) and resurrection, exaltation, and earning the name Iesous (Jesus/Joshua) was key to their salvation. Paul believed he had the secret knowledge and wisdom and that he had to teach others. Gnosticism was a broad category. Call it whatever you will or don’t, but Paul believed he had secret knowledge that was the key to their salvation, and he did not believe in the stories of the earthly Jesus walking around in Galilee or Jerusalem because those stories hadn’t yet been invented.

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This is the most incredible example of building a castle in the air that I have ever encountered

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Those Jews believed there were castles in the air and above the firmaments. Temples too.

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You have got to be the most delusional person ever. 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 is considered the earliest Christian creed meaning, Paul received it prior to anything he had written.

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How did Paul write that they knew of Jesus’ death and resurrection? Was it eyewitnesses? Or was it “in accordance with the scriptures”?

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If 1 Thessalonians was written around 49–51 CE and he had already received the creed which was already in circulation by prior believers, that testimony about Jesus' EARTHLY crucifixion

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This must’ve escaped all us Jesus-mythicists. Where exactly does Paul write that he was crucified on earth? He does however specifically state in 1 Corinthians that Jesus was killed by the archons, and in Ephesians he writes that the archons were in the heavens.

Oh hell I think I know what you were referring to though. But it wasn’t written by Paul.

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For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews, 15who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind 16by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to completion!

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Do you really think the apostle Paul, a devout Jew, would write:
- “the Jews”… he was a Jew. He would have written about “us” as a self reference.
- “drove us out”… another anachronism. Jews weren’t driving Christians out from anywhere during Paul’s life
- Jews “displease God”… come on, he was a Jew himself
- Jews “oppose all mankind”… come on, he was a Jew himself
- “wrath has come upon them to completion!” This refactor/editor (could have been Markion of Sinope who hated Jews) obviously is about the destruction of the temple, which didn’t happen until after Paul’s death.

So Paul never ever writes Jesus was killed on earth by people on earth, but just the opposite he writes the archons in heaven killed Jesus.

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It is absolutely astonishing how truly mixed up and utterly wrong you are on these matters. It's impressive how one person could accumulate such a monumental and stupendous amount of ahistorical beliefs

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Says the close-minded simpleton who doesn’t do research and who desperately wishes to believe in a fantasy.