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re: 100 Mosques randomly surveilled. 81 of them preaching jihadism and hatred of non-Muslims”

Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:09 pm to
Posted by Usmc
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:09 pm to
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There are a few million Muslims that live in the U.S. and I don't think we consider terrorism some daily threat here



Undeniable evidence that you are in fact completley retarded.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:41 pm to
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You’re taking radicalized positions and stating them as doctrine
I told you facts.

And they are doctrine. I cited the history. If you don't believe me, read the Hadith.

What more proof do you need that Muslims are killing Christians all over the world?

You seem to not even know that these debates amongst the imams get so heated that Islamic sects go to war with each other. You know why right? When one sect fails to declare al-takfir, the other sects accuse them of shirk or kufr. The divisions of Islamic sects is often deadly and intense. IOW, they kill each other over these issues, a lot. And often.

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I can literally speak to you about wahabiism and salafiism in fricking Arabic, as I have with no shite imams and no shite terrorists
I'm not denying this

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Even fundamentalists acknowledge that Christians and Jews are not kafir
I don't know who you talked to but, this just isn't true and I've given you plenty of substantiation for that. Christians and Jews are killed by Muslims all over the world, all the time, sometimes in great numbers. Who do you think told those Muslims to do that - the IMAMS. It's in the OP that you are trying to deny. Are there SOME Muslims who have compromised on these doctrines, yes. No doubt. It's also true that there are numerous other Muslims who would kill them for doing so

And these are NOT extremists. That is a contemporary, western notion. They are conservatives and they feel that the moderates/modern Muslims have compromised, just like the khawarij accused the mutazilites. This was the start of al-takfir during the first fitnah.

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It was my job
As I said, you likely know a great deal on the topic. On this particular matter you are wrong. I have explained the situation factually to you. It won't be terribly hard for you to corroborate when I've said with a little study and effort.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:13 am to
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it’s the same deity in each book, the Torah, Bible, and Koran
You have no idea what you're talking about. YHWH is NOT Allah. Not even close

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Jews don’t recognize Christ as anything, so does that mean their “God” isn’t the same?
That has nothing to do with the difference between YHWH and Allah
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:29 am to
Nothing new here. They have been regurgitating this for years.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26123 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:41 am to
You’re an idiot…
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1680 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 2:24 pm to
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You’re an idiot
Oh so you can tell us specifically how Allah and YHWH are the "same"

Well, let's hear it. Explain it to us
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26123 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:56 pm to
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Well, let's hear it. Explain it to us


Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
Are all Abrahamic faiths, all worshipping the same God. The fundamental difference, as I’ve outlined before is Jews don’t believe Jesus is the son of god or that Muhammad was the last prophet, and Christians don’t believe Muhammad was the last prophet.

Do Christians worship the same
God as Jews? Jews don’t believe Christ is the son of God, so it must not be the same God, right?

You can choose to believe it’s not the same God, but historically it’s the same God.

You’re too busy trying to sound smart talking about some Shia bullshite and other crap you’ve read on the internet or saw in some video to have any conversation with.

Simply put, you’re an idiot. I did this shite for a living and with great results. I’m done.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 3:57 pm
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3429 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 7:47 pm to
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Judaism, Christianity, and Islam Are all Abrahamic faiths, all worshipping the same God. The fundamental difference, as I’ve outlined before is Jews don’t believe Jesus is the son of god or that Muhammad was the last prophet, and Christians don’t believe Muhammad was the last prophet.

It’s way, way more complicated than that. They are all evolved branches of a hodgepodge of Canaanite, Egyptian, Persian, and Greek religions. There’s even a connection to Hinduism as both the Jews’ and the Hindus’ mythic father-progenitor was named B-R-H-M. That’s taking the Hebrew consonants for “Abraham” and the Sanskrit consonants for “Brahma” - neither ancient language had written vowels.

Christianity actually stays truest to the Canaanite polytheism at the very core of the “Abrahamic faiths”. I hope you don’t think the early Christians during the Roman period invented the sign of the cross or the father, son, and Holy Spirit, the Eucharist of bread and wine, blood sacrifices for the atonement of all believers, and such. That was all first temple period beliefs, before the exile and Deuteronomist reforms. Insert a little Zoroastrian dualism from Persia (giving us the concepts of the devil and of everlasting life) and have the Romans destroy the temple and presto - you have Christianity. Not as we know it today… they had to use force, violence, and coercion and over 400 years in the Roman Empire they had rooted out all the “heresies”.

One of those heretical groups outside of Roman control in Arabia ended up being the progenitor of the Muslims.

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Do Christians worship the same God as Jews? Jews don’t believe Christ is the son of God, so it must not be the same God, right?

The earliest Christians for a few hundred years continued to worship the main three Jewish gods (but there were many more). El Elyon, the namesake of Israel. Yahweh, later called Yahoshua (Yahweh is salvation) in Aramaic and Iesous (Jesus) in Greek. The Jews such as Philo of Alexandria wrote that God’s Logos “Word” had inhabited Moses’ right hand man, Hoshua, and had been given a new name, the name above all names - Yahoshua. Yes in Greek, it was “Jesus” who conquered the holy land after Moses’ death. The Holy Spirit? That was El’s wife and the mother of Yahweh. In the Canaanite religion they called her Asherah, the queen of heaven. They still call her the queen of Heaven today, the mother of “god”, aka Mary. And Christians, at least Catholics and Orthodox, still pray to Mary and believe she can hear the prayers of millions of followers simultaneously (she has divine superhuman powers).

In the Quran, “Mohammed” even calls out Christians for worshipping a “trinity” of God, his son - Jesus, and Jesus’ mother. Several Christian gospels that we now have and have translated- ones that didn’t make the cut of the Roman church - call the Holy Spirit a woman and the mother of Jesus, like in the gospel of Philip.

In Deuteronomy 32:8-9, El Elyon (god most high) divides the nations amongst his sons, giving Israel to Yahweh (the LORD) as his inheritance.

In the Greek translation called the Septuagint, El Elyon becomes Theos Hupsistos. Yahweh becomes Kyrios.

No surprise when Paul writes this in Philippians 2:11
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and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Kyrios), to the glory of God (Theos) the Father.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 7:52 pm to


Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 7:56 pm to

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The Quran is very clear that eradicating the world of infidels is their directive


It's right there in the manual.

I don't know why anyone is shocked when they follow through.
Posted by RebRxV
Member since Oct 2022
481 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 8:20 pm to
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Allah just means god in the monotheistic sense. Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship Allah.

Nope. Islam does not recognize the Holy Trinity. They see Jesus, the Son of, "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" as a prophet, but not God. The core belief of Christianity is that Jesus is the Son, the Triune God, God in three persons. Thus, their Allah CANNOT be the same God that Christians worship.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1680 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 8:21 pm to
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Are all Abrahamic faiths, all worshipping the same God
Again you are wrong.

Allah - transcendent, absolutely NOT immanent
YHWH - both transcendent AND immanent

There, you've been corrected. It is shirk/kufr to say anything along the lines of Allah being immanent. Do you know what "inshah Allah" means? Do you know why Muslims say that phrase?

For extra points - Muhammed is not a person of the trinity because Islam is anti-trinitarian. Christianity is trinitarian

Again, NOT THE SAME GOD

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I did this shite for a living and with great results
And you don't know the above? Wow. Unbelievable
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
6446 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 8:25 pm to
Islam was a psy-op created by a savage pedophile to subjugate and weaponize a bunch of even more savage barbarians in the deserts of the middle east into a fighting force.

Period. It was born in evil. It's steeped in it for a long time. And now we're down to the end where it's going to have to be dealt with. It's like democrats and the left across history. They have a dial for violence. They always bump it up a little more. The right has a switch. From zero to maximum.

That switch needs to get thrown while it will matter.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1680 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 8:46 pm to
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Squirrelmeister
Hell. Now we're about to hear some REAL cockamamie nonsense

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They are all evolved branches of a hodgepodge of Canaanite, Egyptian, Persian, and Greek religions
Ah geez. Not this again

I'm going to skip responding to all of your stupidity which I assume you got from Mark Smith.

First, most revisionist bullcrap like this relies on the documentary hypothesis. I'm pretty sure I've covered this with you. With respect to the Torah, there have NEVER been any JEDP sources found. NEVER. It's all made up in people's heads. They have built castles in the air out of the DH. This is why that farce McClellan is such a fraud. Not having any historical sources for the DH pulls the rug out from underneath most of the garbage you parrot like a sychophant. It's astonishing that rubes are still recycling this crap 100 years later.

Smith asserting that El in the Ugaritic Texts was initially distinct from Yahweh is just speculative. Only people who are biased actually buy that. You seem to be one of them. Like a raging case of herpes bad

The Kuntillet Ajrud and Khirbet el-Qom inscriptions mentioning Asherah prove nothing. We already know that there were episodic cases of polytheism amonst the Jews/Hebrews. This is not even controversial. But it in no way proves thoroughgoing polytheism. Ditto for the bull deity on the Bethsaida stele. Again, the witness of the prophets disproves this idea with impunity.

As for Phoenician and other West Semitic Texts purportedly showing that Israelite religion was not culturally separate from its neighbors at its inception, explain the hatred for the Samaritans. Explain why the Jews fought the Amalekites and the Midianites. Explain the thoroughgoing monotheism in the Psalms. I could go on.

Now, combine that with Finkelstein's argument from silence, and you have a trifecta of doodoo

I can't believe people buy that crap. It's astonishing how gullible some people are
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:16 pm to
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Explain the thoroughgoing monotheism in the Psalms



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7All worshipers of images are put to shame, who make their boast in worthless idols; worship him, all you gods! 8Zion hears and is glad, and the daughters of Judah rejoice, because of your judgments, O LORD. 9For you, O LORD, are most high over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.


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3For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.


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5Let the heavens praise your wonders, O LORD, your faithfulness in the assembly of the holy ones! 6For who in the skies can be compared to the LORD? Who among the heavenly beings is like the LORD, 7a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones, and awesome above all who are around him? 8O LORD God of hosts, who is mighty as you are, O LORD, with your faithfulness all around you?


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1God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: 2“How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah 3Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. 4Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.” 5They have neither knowledge nor understanding, they walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; 7nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince.”


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1Ascribe to the LORD, O sons of gods, ascribe to the LORD glory and strength. 2Ascribe to the LORD the glory due his name; worship the LORD in the splendor of holiness.


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5Yet you have made him a little lower than the gods and crowned him with glory and honor.


Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175966 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:17 pm to
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The other 19 likely got tipped off first.

The other 19 died on 9/11
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26123 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:02 pm to
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Nope. Islam does not recognize the Holy Trinity. They see Jesus, the Son of, "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" as a prophet, but not God. The core belief of Christianity is that Jesus is the Son, the Triune God, God in three persons. Thus, their Allah CANNOT be the same God that Christians worship.


and Jews don’t believe in Christ at all, so must be a different God too.

Some of y’all are retards.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 10:03 pm
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26123 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:04 pm to
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Do you know what "inshah Allah" means?


Does it mean you’re a fricking moron, if god wills it so?

Now in actual context, culturally, what does it mean?
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1680 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:19 am to
Your quotations of the psalms do not show polytheism. That language is about praxis. Worship YHWH and not fake gods. It's really not hard to understand. When the Bible says not to worship worldly things like money, do you think the authors were saying they believed money was a literal god? The Bible said many things about other gods being fake which is decidedly monotheistic.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
8429 posts
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:22 am to
That is a higher percentage than black churches hating whitey
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