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re: Wolf kills and eats dog after battle with owner
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:25 pm to BM7133
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:25 pm to BM7133
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One last opportunity to provide and answer as to why the wolf got two measurements and the dog only one?
holy shite, you take internet discussions personally. Why do you people get so worked up over a discussion?? Do research. No one is going to change your mind. I have no idea why wolves have such a high range, except for the fight or flight possibility. You have as much access to information as I do. Just from reading it appears this is from field observations, watching wolves and testing how much pressure it takes to bite through certain limbs and bones.
Everyone, including me...have a preconceived bias, I haven't argued any differently.
We had the fortune of watching a lone Alexander Archipelago Wolf named Romeo for a few winters. It was pretty awesome, and smashed some folks preconceptions about wolves being extremely timid creatures.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 12:41 pm
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Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:30 pm to BM7133
The sun would kick the moon's arse, all of y'all are now suspeck
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Its not personal at all but when you try to prove a point whether it be on the internet or wherever and you try to use "facts" that dont pan out dont be surprised when you are asked to clarify. I actually have personal experience with wolves which i have mentioned until now. A family local to me has actually owned more than a few pure wolves and some wolf/dog mixes. They are glorious animals but in my experience they are wary animals and for the most part....as stated....would not fight 1 on 1 with something equal in size.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:43 pm to SabiDojo
All those videos multiple dogs vs 1 wolf withe the exception of the sheep being protected. 1 on 1 those hounds would have struggled.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:48 pm to dpark
There is a lot of dumb in this thread. Wolves vs. domesticated dogs, seriously?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
What is the genetic difference between a Husky and a wolf? Did one just get domesticated over a long period of time?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:50 pm to Pettifogger
Agreed
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:50 pm to dpark
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All those videos multiple dogs vs 1 wolf withe the exception of the sheep being protected. 1 on 1 those hounds would have struggled.
Um, okay, which refutes Roger's blanket assertion.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:51 pm to dpark
yeah I would say that the wolf would defeat any dog more often than not. there are some exceptions of dogs that could maybe 2-3 out of 10 times defeat a wolf, but I would say it is against the norm. Outside of those 5-10 breeds of dog with that capability, very few would be able to take a wolf.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:53 pm to diat150
O on the contrare my friend
My friend Michael Vick says name youre' bet and he will take said challenge
My friend Michael Vick says name youre' bet and he will take said challenge
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:59 pm to Fat Neck
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:59 pm to diat150
I agree that most breeds arent a match for the wolf. There are some that are and large in part all those who say otherwise are not experienced with those breeds. I would bet most anything that the majority of those in this thread have not spent any real time with or handled dogs that or in the size category or realm of physcial capability of those in question.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:04 pm to BM7133
Serious questions. Do these working breeds loose their instinct over time with watered down breeding and lack of actually being used for their intended purpose?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:05 pm to BM7133
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I agree that most breeds arent a match for the wolf. There are some that are and large in part all those who say otherwise are not experienced with those breeds. I would bet most anything that the majority of those in this thread have not spent any real time with or handled dogs that or in the size category or realm of physcial capability of those in question.
I've been around wolves, hybrids and several of these large dogs, including Mastiffs and Rotties. I'd take the wolf 9 times out of 10.
I overstated earlier, and will backtrack a bit. One of these breeds may be able to handle a wolf in certain situations, but a healthy wolf, a healthy dog, I'm taking the wolf.
Intelligence, strength, speed in a package favor the wolf.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:18 pm to dpark
I cant speak of all of their instincts but their disposition, the desire to please and protect the owner and the family is still extremely strong. I have never seen them fight and i hope i never do but they protect the perimeter of our property...mostly with just barking and their presence. They feed off of my energy more than any other breed i have owned which includes labs and curs.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So let me guess...mastiffs...english and bull mastiffs? Lets see...lumbering and undersized are the way i describe those two Rotts...no offense to any owners are not really great dogs. They were glorified for their appearance but performance wise the are an average breed. Wolves are amazing animals but humans bred dogs to have a way to protect themselves from all of natures creations. Seriously step back and think of why these dogs were bred and how the specific attributes were selected.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:26 pm to BM7133
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Seriously step back and think of why these dogs were bred and how the specific attributes were selected.
Now do that with the wolf. How much experience do you have around wolves?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Now do that with the wolf. How much experience do you have around wolves?
I don't think our personal experiences have any influence on the outcome. You like wolves. You think they are awesome. They are awesome. I like them too. However, there are dogs out there that can kill a wolf. Will they succeed every time? No. Will the wolf? No. But, a wolf isn't just so awesome it can take two Boerbels at the same time. A single Boerbel may very well easily kill a wolf.
Our experiences mean nothing. Evolution favors both animals.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I would imagine that up close and personal I have more experience than you. That being said it was a domesticated wolf. I am not gonna name names of who owned them or even what town because from what I understand its illegal but like I said earlier...i have petted and been in a wolfs pen....literally. Wolves are survivalists....not protectors or fighters. They target easy prey and in packs....soooo....
Posted on 3/18/14 at 1:59 pm to BM7133
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I would imagine that up close and personal I have more experience than you. That being said it was a domesticated wolf.
domesticated wolf? I've been around a few, both in the wild and in a rescue situation. It takes generations to domesticate a wolf. You can "tame" them, but domestication in a generation is suspicious.
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