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Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:22 am to MrCoachKlein
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the majority of domesticated dogs are bred for conformation, not survival.
I think you provided your own rebuttal.
Majority =/= all
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:23 am to MrCoachKlein
quote:Good grief
Nowadays the majority of domesticated dogs are bred for conformation, not survival. Y'all are smarter than this.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:24 am to TigerDeacon
Yeah, cuz some here are suggesting that maybe a King Charles Cavalier might do the trick. 
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:27 am to AlxTgr
What would you put up against a large, alpha male, Grey Wolf?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:29 am to MrCoachKlein
full grown Jack Russell Terrier.
They are vicious.
(I don't know enough about large dogs other than Great Danes and I wouldn't put them up against a half grown kitten. Although I have seen one run down and kill a small deer before.)
They are vicious.
(I don't know enough about large dogs other than Great Danes and I wouldn't put them up against a half grown kitten. Although I have seen one run down and kill a small deer before.)
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
The bite force is awesome, but you said a wolf could kill "several dogs" with ease. That's not entirely true. Three Anatolian Shepherds would rip a wolf piece by piece. And, there are dogs out there that can kill a wolf by itself.
dog defends sheep
wolf vs shepherd dog
wolf hunting in Russia
ETA: a bit gruesome.
dog defends sheep
wolf vs shepherd dog
wolf hunting in Russia
ETA: a bit gruesome.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:36 am to SabiDojo
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Starting with number 5 I would say three of any of those could take a wolf. Hell there is video from the news of a Dogo killing a Puma in 08 and it was a small female. My buddies male last I checked was 135 at 15 months, he is top end size for the breed though.
Starting with number 5 I would say three of any of those could take a wolf. Hell there is video from the news of a Dogo killing a Puma in 08 and it was a small female. My buddies male last I checked was 135 at 15 months, he is top end size for the breed though.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:41 am to AlxTgr
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I don't believe this for a second.
Look, dogs are wolves
I kinda choose to believe things when test after test have proven it. Some dogs can approach 400 lbs of bite which is the average lb/sq inch of a wolf in tests, but not get close to the wolf's defensive bite which is in Hyena/Bear range.
Kangel and Mastiff are top dogs, but aren't even close to the intelligence or instincts that a wolf possesses.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
Help me out. I can't find another record of a wolf recording 1,200 psi other than the link you provided. Every other site I've seen says the average is 400.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
I really dont know what to believe on the bite force thing. I have seen where some dogs get up to 750 lbs of force and some websites claim the wolf is 400 all the way to 1500....either way the info out there is contradictory.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:49 am to BM7133
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I really dont know what to believe on the bite force thing. I have seen where some dogs get up to 750 lbs of force
Turkish Kangel.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 11:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
I just find the national geographic bite force test to be off. So the wolf managed 400 lbs but when "defending itself" 1200? So if the mastiff was at 550 not defending itself what would it have been defending itself? From what i understand bite force is directly related to the width of the jaw. A wolfs jaw looks sort of long and narrow compared to many of the dog breeds in questions. Look at a pitbull...wide jaw. Compare a lion to a tiger. Tigers jaws are much wider and have a stronger bite. I dunno what the truths actually are but the test doesnt seem equally fair for all involved.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:01 pm to BM7133
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I just find the national geographic bite force test to be off.
People generally are biased and find fault with things that don't meet their preconceptions. Not singling you out, we all do it.
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. A wolfs jaw looks sort of long and narrow compared to many of the dog breeds in questions.
It's very wide. Not sure how to convince you.
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The next thing you are sure to notice about a wolf is how big its head is. Wolves’ heads are much larger in comparison to their body size than dogs. This is because wolves have larger brains and thus are more intelligent. Wolves also have chests and hips which are so narrow that you can easily hold their front legs together and have them stand comfortably. This coupled with the fact that wolves have very long legs and large paws, allows them to run great distances at very high speeds. If you were to watch a wolf run you would notice that its back remains perfectly flat. In contrast, dogs have very wide hips and chests and rather short legs in comparison to their body size. This is the reason that dogs’ backs tend to bob up and down when they run.
Perhaps the biggest difference between a wolf and a dog, and also the thing that causes the most problems when owning a wolf is their mental state. Dogs only develop to the mental stage of a 10 to 30 day old wolf puppy. This means that mentally dogs never become adults, which allows humans to be able to tell a dog what to do because dogs want to please us. This lack of mental maturity also makes dogs more aggressive than wolves, since aggressiveness is many baby animals’ natural defense.
LINK
Wolves have adapted to be killing machines. Even lone wolves are beasts.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So explain why they measured not defending and defending for the wolf but not the dog. Go on...please explain since you are so enlightened.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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People generally are biased and find fault with things that don't meet their preconceptions. Not singling you out, we all do it.
And I'm guessing you didn't watch any of the videos I posted.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:05 pm to BM7133
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.please explain since you are so enlightened.
Enlightened = reading facts about wolves. You can be too.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:06 pm to SabiDojo
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And I'm guessing you didn't watch any of the videos I posted.
I'll go back and look. My work computer don't play vids so I'll look tonight.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:07 pm to MrCoachKlein
quote:I'd whip out my dick, and when he's rolling on the ground laughing his arse off, I'd stomp his throat.
What would you put up against a large, alpha male, Grey Wolf?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 12:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Smartass response with no answer to the question. Ur grasping at straws here because it is actually you who have a preconceived idea about the wolf vs. dog argument. One last opportunity to provide and answer as to why the wolf got two measurements and the dog only one? Not to mention there was a pretty significant disparity in the results when the wolf was motivated. Do you truly not believe that the animal with the higher result when tested equally would not have had a greater bite when motivated as well???
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