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re: What Personal Defense Weapon (think 9mm SMG) is everyone using?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:21 am to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:21 am to AwgustaDawg
Why are you even on the outdoor board?
On April 4, a research paper from the Crime Prevention Research Center showed that armed civilians stop more active shooters than law enforcement. When police are involved, there's also a much higher likelihood that:
a. Somebody will be shot
b. The wrong person will be shot
More findings:
You can download the PDF of the study here:
LINK
On April 4, a research paper from the Crime Prevention Research Center showed that armed civilians stop more active shooters than law enforcement. When police are involved, there's also a much higher likelihood that:
a. Somebody will be shot
b. The wrong person will be shot
More findings:
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Civilians with permits stopped the attacks more frequently and faced a lower risk of being killed or injured than police. Officers who intervened during the attacks were far more likely to be killed or injured than those who apprehended the attackers later.
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armed citizens reduce the number of deaths in active shooter incidents significantly more than the police do
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Armed citizens reduce the number of casualties by 44 percent while police response results in a
small increase. Constitutional carry states have significantly fewer people killed and wounded in active shooter events than other states presumably because more armed citizens are available to intervene quickly and effectively.
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The number of people killed, wounded, or the total number of casualties is significantly reduced if armed citizens stop the attack compared to the situation where the police stop the attack
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Constitutional carry states have significantly fewer casualties in active shooter incidents presumably because more armed citizens are present in public spaces.
You can download the PDF of the study here:
LINK
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 9:26 am
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Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:38 am to AwgustaDawg
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Better to have a firearm and not need one than need one and not have it.
2 is 1.... 1 is none.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:54 am to AwgustaDawg
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The main one I use is not being around a bunch of criminals involved in criminal activity....its worked for 59 years without incident and does for about 99.5% of Americans. There is an about a 1/2 of 1% (.5%) chance that the average American will be a victim of a violent crime in their life. The vast majority of those happen to unarmed people because the vast majority of people are unarmed. The vast majority of those victims survive that crime without long term consequences....had they used a gun to defend themselves the consequences could be far worse that the average.
Collierville, TN mass shooting
This is the town I live in and this is the Kroger that we go to.
No one was armed and the guy shot multiple people.
it's 5 min from my house.
One of the nicest suburbs in TN.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 10:09 am
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:55 am to Landmass
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Why are you even on the outdoor board?
On April 4, a research paper from the Crime Prevention Research Center showed that armed civilians stop more active shooters than law enforcement. When police are involved, there's also a much higher likelihood that:
You do realize that 2 things which are not associated in any manner with one another can be true at the same time, no?
I do not doubt that armed citizens are more likely to stop an active shooter than a cop is and that its more likely that cops will kill more than just the active shooter and may just kill a bunch of people other than the shooter. I am certain that is true. It does not mean that it is not also true that someone who owns a gun is more likely to be shot than someone who does not own a gun and the people in the family is far more likely to be shot than a family in a home without a gun. These things are not mutually exclusive.
Family members shooting one another is far more likely to occur than an active shooter situation. Out of every 1000 people in the United States .27% are liable to be shot in an active shooter situation. 8 are liable to be shot in general if they live in a home with no guns and 12 are liable to be shot if they live in homes with guns. Active shooters and mass shootings are very rare events, thankfully. Folks shooting their spouse 'cause they made them mad is not nearly as rare....
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:02 am to bbvdd
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Collierville, TN mass shooting
This is the town I live in and this is the Kroger that we go to.
No one was armed and the guy shot multiple people.
it's 5 min from my house.
One of the nicest suburbs in TN.
Horrible. Those deaths and jnjuries are included in the odds of a person being the victim in a violent crime in America. In this particular case, given that the evil bastard killed himself, his possessing a firearm is directly causal to the 3 deaths (2 innocents and the shooter) and 15 (17?) wounded. Not to mention the trauma those who were there when it happened have suffered. Its horrible and it is horrible because it is so rare. I understand it doesn't seem rare because the press makesa huge deal out of it but it is rare...
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:12 am to AwgustaDawg
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You do realize that 2 things which are not associated in any manner with one another can be true at the same time, no?
You asked why anyone needs this. I just showed you why.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:52 pm to Landmass
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You asked why anyone needs this. I just showed you why.
To protect yourself from an event so rare it is almost statistically insignificant.....while accidentally shooting someone in the family or yourself or intentionally doing so is almost 4000 times more likely.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:17 pm to Rabby
quote:I have one of the Shockwaves, with an Opsol adapter (allows great feeding for minishells), and was lucky enough to catch when some ammo site was dumping the Challenger minishells on clearance. Got a couple hundred of both the slugs and buckshot, and the practice (7.5) shot. It was considerably cheaper than the Aguila, and it runs just fine. With the Opsol, I think I can get 8-9 shells in the tube.
But for my needs, one of the Shockwave/Tac-14 12 gauge weapons might be better in some conditions. Being able to select from a variety of ammo is a consideration.
Between that, and the advent of braced AR pistols with 11" barrels, I don't feel the need to pick up a large 9mm weapon. Not for serious potential usage, although I'm sure it would make for a fun range toy. I have plenty of 9mm handguns, and feel comfortable on my ability to get them on target in a timely manner.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:24 pm to AwgustaDawg
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To protect yourself from an event so rare it is almost statistically insignificant.....
It isn't zero.
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while accidentally shooting someone in the family or yourself or intentionally doing so is almost 4000 times more likely.
I've never had an accidental discharge. My kids have never had an accidental discharge.
If someone is accidentally shot in my house, I've failed several gun safety rules, which I adhere to very strenuously.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:37 pm to Bama and Beer
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What do you have for the red dot?
Sig Romeo
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:27 pm to Jcorye1
Scorpion is probably my favorite but I do t own one have shot some of my buddies and I think it’s by far the best pistol caliber carbine iv ever handled.
If you’re looking at sbr I don’t think you can go wrong with a hellpup and an aluminum triangle pistol brace.
Personally more budget friendly can’t go wrong with ruger pc carbine and 10/22 in take down models
If you’re looking at sbr I don’t think you can go wrong with a hellpup and an aluminum triangle pistol brace.
Personally more budget friendly can’t go wrong with ruger pc carbine and 10/22 in take down models
Posted on 5/1/25 at 7:15 pm to Lsutigerturner
I see PSA just announced the 9mm Jakl is going to be released “very soon”
What’s y’all’s thought?
What’s y’all’s thought?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:22 pm to nolaTiger24
I have not it or shot anything other then psak and they are currently my favorite rifles. 7.62x39 has made me a believer after 556 and 308 my whole life
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:00 pm to beerJeep
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I have money and land. I like to shoot. So I buy guns I enjoy and take them to shoot?
This is the key. I have some guns but no land. Shooting at the range is so confining. Yay more paper. How bout y’all let me shoot a cantaloupe or something instead.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 3:47 am to nolaTiger24
Looks a lot like many of the others on the market right now. I'm pretty interested in seeing the price point and it's going to be tough to get your hands on them when they launch. They're going to sell out quickly I would imagine
This post was edited on 5/2/25 at 3:53 am
Posted on 5/2/25 at 7:39 am to Bama and Beer
That’s two pics I keep seeing, will be offered in different size barrels?
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:51 pm to Jcorye1
Have a 9mm ar sbr and sp5k. Gotta say, sp5 is really cool. Newer and better stuff out there, but the hk is lots of fun.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 9:31 pm to AwgustaDawg
Considering that private citizens of the US own roughly half of the 1 billion guns in the world, the amount of accidental shootings is statistically insignificant as well. Take your woke bullshite somewhere else.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 6:08 am to Landmass
quote:Agreed
Take your woke bullshite somewhere else
nolaTiger24: I'm not sure what length barrels they will offer. I'd be interested in a 8-11" (snicker) barrel. And I'll say it again, not a huge fan of the triangular style brace/ stock but that's just me
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 6:11 am
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:02 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Given the miniscule odds of being the victim of a violent crime in the US and surviving that encounter with fewer long term impacts than would be present had you used a gun to defend yourself it really is not better to have a gun and not need it.
We live in a country where you can own a gun. You don’t have to own one. You live your life and let others live their’s. You came to a board that discusses gun ownership and most board members aren’t going to agree with your position.
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