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What do you attribute the migration change to?

Posted on 10/14/16 at 8:46 am
Posted by HogIslandDuckman
covington
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 8:46 am
I think In this order

1. Weather
2. Corn/crop on the ground from Canada to the gulf(rice.)
3. Hunting pressure. They know they're getting shot south of Arkansas.
4. Our marshes been disappearing
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 8:52 am to
1 and 2 only.
Posted by mach316
Jonesboro, AR
Member since Jul 2012
4776 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 8:56 am to
quote:

1 and 2 only.


Cold temps and frozen water does not make ducks move like I used to think it did. Ducks seem to stay put until it warms up to where they can leave and feed again. Even snow doesn't effect them unless it hard freezes to where they can't get to the food.

I know here in Arkansas, some of our best hunts are on days following a two or three day stretch of hard south wind.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 9:19 am
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 8:56 am to
1 and 2

But 2 has more to do with grain waste in Midwest, not LA
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:01 am to
3 and 4 are completely irrelevant
Posted by Palo Gaucho
Benton
Member since Jul 2013
3334 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:01 am to
I'm not sure about South LA, but in NWLA & SWAR almost everything that can be flooded for ducks gets flooded now. It spreads them out a lot more than they were 15-20 years ago. This area of the state has the fewest birds to begin with, you spread them out and there's not many to go around. A couple of seasons of 30 & 3 wouldn't hurt my feelings too bad if it got rid of all the topwaters.
Posted by mack the knife
EBR
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:01 am to
2 then 1
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
Member since Oct 2012
6416 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:01 am to
Crop management and weather are more 1a and 1b

Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30568 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:02 am to
no till farming
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13901 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:16 am to
I think weather, evidenced by new species like tree ducks and white-wing doves, etc., and as far as the east side of the state is concerned, the raising of the river levels in the 60's and 70's absolutely had an overall negative effect on habitat there. My old man and his friends cashed in on the recently flooded green timber in the 70's and 80's, I got in on the 90's, but it's gone to hell since. Stagnant water in previously seasonally flooded woods has led to dead snags and permanent invasive aquatics. Sucks.

As stated, the ducks rarely have anywhere else to go besides a duck hole, and those holes, although numerous, are a drop in the bucket compared to what used to be.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 9:19 am
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12717 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:18 am to
Agree with everyone else. Weather and Ag practices are the top reasons.

Reason 3 and 4 are irrelevant. Ducks don't know they are going to get shot at down here, at least not the majority.

And they don't know 1000 miles away what the habitat looks like. Maybe over time, but the numbers wouldn't keep fluctuating up and down like they are. The amount of marsh we have is not fluctuating. It is dropping every year.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8274 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:22 am to
Biggest driver has been the no-till grain farming in the midwest and the movement of rice acreage. Where there was once a lot more rice acreage in South Texas and South Louisiana this has moved to an area from NE Louisiana and SE Arkansas through SE Missouri. Farming has also gotten more efficient and the amount of waste grain isn't as high as say the 80's.

Second driver has been the weather. With no-till farming birds (especially mallards) have to see 6 inches of snow cover their food source before they will leave. Pressure has made hunting birds that still migrate much harder than it was in the 1990s and before. If some of you have never hunted dry fields with mojo ducks you wouldn't understand how this matters. I would gladly take 3 and 30 for a few years to weed out some of the topwaters also.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 9:23 am
Posted by webstew
B-city
Member since May 2009
1267 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:22 am to
quote:

got rid of all the topwaters.



Would that be all of the Duck Dynasty wannabes?
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5515 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:28 am to
quote:

TigerDog83



This guy gets it.

Also, pressure absolutely affects duck migration. If you went on a trip every place to the same year, and some guy shoots at you every time you go, you're eventually going to go somewhere else . Especially guys in leases hunting both mornings and afternoons. If you stop giving the ducks a place to rest, they're going to stop coming to your general area. If everyone in your general area does the same, they're going to go somewhere else altogether. It's a pretty simple concept and I've seen it happen over and over again. Especially in the last 6-7 years.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12717 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:29 am to
quote:

2 then 1


For those that think the cropping is the #1 cause, and were around long enough to actually see those changes, my question is this: did the birds come down regardless of snow cover prior to the mass changes in agricultural practices?

I can understand the argument that more food is on the ground now because of no-till, but I would still think weather would drive the migration. But I wasn't around prior to all the mass changes, so I can only speak for what I've seen and (Think I) know.

ETA: Just saw the post above that gives a pretty good explanation, although I still tend to lean weather then ag.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 9:30 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81640 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:30 am to
quote:

the topwaters
What is this?
Posted by Palo Gaucho
Benton
Member since Jul 2013
3334 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:38 am to
A duck dynasty, boom scouting, face paint wearing poser. They usually shoot 3.5 inch shells, run the ducks off with their loud arse mud motors in the afternoons, sky blast on the corners, show up at daylight, and generally just get in the way.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12717 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:39 am to
quote:

Also, pressure absolutely affects duck migration. If you went on a trip every place to the same year, and some guy shoots at you every time you go, you're eventually going to go somewhere else . Especially guys in leases hunting both mornings and afternoons. If you stop giving the ducks a place to rest, they're going to stop coming to your general area. If everyone in your general area does the same, they're going to go somewhere else altogether. It's a pretty simple concept and I've seen it happen over and over again. Especially in the last 6-7 years.


My only issue with this is if it were the case, then the refuges and public lands wouldn't hold any birds anymore. Places like Point-aux-Chenes, Atchafalaya Delta, Biloxi Marsh, Sabine, and Lacassine get shot up year in and year out. If they were completely absent from the WMAs and not the refuges, I would buy into this argument. But they aren't, and the coastal WMAs can be hunted all day unlike the inland WMAs and Refuges that are closed to hunting by 2 pm.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5515 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:52 am to
quote:

But they aren't, and the coastal WMAs can be hunted all day unlike the inland WMAs and Refuges that are closed to hunting by 2 pm.


They are though. Biloxi Marsh holds substantially less birds now than it did prior to the duck dynasty revolution, and I mean substantially less. Like very noticeably for those of us who have hunted the area our whole lives. Same with the Wax. I don't ever hunt PAC, so I don't know how the pressure is down there, but the pressure Biloxi Marsh gets has been unreal the last few years.

I respect the other side of the argument for sure, and I don't profess to have perfect knowledge about WMAs I've never hunted, but I've seen that happen firsthand.

ETA: The same thing applies to a lot of the "private" land areas that are glorified public land now, like Delacroix. I've gotten to where I'd rather hunt public land than deal with the shitshow that private land duck hunting has turned into in a lot of St. Bernard.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 9:54 am
Posted by gorillacoco
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
5320 posts
Posted on 10/14/16 at 9:54 am to
I think you have to add invasive vegetation to the list. Huge areas of shallow flats in LA are completely covered by hyacinth and salvinia now. It's completely destroyed the manchac/maurepas area as far as duck hunting goes.
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