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Thoughts on Flyway Federation of Louisiana?

Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:02 pm
Posted by PiyahhBaw
Member since Oct 2018
128 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:02 pm
They have some valid arguments, but they sure are close minded. Either way, I hope they make some headway and make Louisiana's hunting better.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:12 pm to
Did Goins put you up to this
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30455 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:20 pm to
Oh jesus h christ....
Posted by PiyahhBaw
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:21 pm to
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Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30455 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:25 pm to
If one can't admit that changing land use practices in LA(rise in crawfish ponds and conversion to cane and cattle), increasingly degraded habitat in coastal la, increased motorized and non motorized human activity in coastal LA(30 years ago nobody was fishing, kayaking or bowfishing shallow coastal LA 7 days a week. are part of the problem you have no credibility. Also... NO till farming is and has been a game changer with the above mentioned. flooded ag fields up north don't have the holding power no till has created... LA needs to address it's issues first...
Posted by jrodfishin
Gonzales, LA
Member since Aug 2018
207 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

(rise in crawfish ponds and conversion to cane and cattle)


This has definitely had to have an affect. I wasn't around before this change but I do know ducks don't eat sugar can and cow crap.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:14 pm to
I am a founding member. What would you like to know?
Posted by PiyahhBaw
Member since Oct 2018
128 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:18 pm to
Can't wait to see all the brads revving up there stage 69 poo drives this weekend at da launch. Dam yuppies
Posted by PocketLab
Thib
Member since Sep 2018
122 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:56 pm to
Great job of identifying issues! Only thing I would add is the degradation of the marsh. So many people want to put our declining numbers on one issue....
Posted by headedwest21
Member since Dec 2016
1108 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 5:43 pm to
quote:

Only thing I would add is the degradation of the marsh.


That was his second point in the list.

To the OP, if you want an interesting conversation, go disagree with them. We had a long thread on them before.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5134 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 5:57 pm to
good points


all you have to do is ask yourself how have the spots you hunted 10,20,30 years ago changed


how much salvinia/hyacinth was there then compared to now?

how many people were at the boat ramp then compared to now?

how many duck blinds were in earshot of your field then compared to now?

how hard was it to get to your spot then compared to now?


I bet it's all changed drastically

the numbers of hunters at the ramp, the number of pit blinds in fields close by, salvinia/hyacinth taking over your spot, the hard to access areas are now much easier to access, and so on and so on
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 6:01 pm
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13808 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:36 pm to
Thanks be to Dr. Goins I'm seeing more ducks this year since 1999.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12706 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

They have some valid arguments,

Like what? All I see is bitching about flooded corn.

I bet half of them hunt deer over corn feeders. What's the difference?
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3948 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 6:32 am to
quote:

one can't admit that changing land use practices in LA(rise in crawfish ponds and conversion to cane and cattle),


I have to dispel one myth here, sugarcane acres have not substantially increased in Louisiana. You are starting to see a shift of acreage from the Lafayette and river parish areas to the more central LA region due to increased residential and industrial development pressures.
Total harvestable acres of sugarcane have hovered around the 400K mark for quite some time.
Cane acres in Louisiana have little to do with over all shifts in migration patterns.

Additionally, you are seeing more cattle acres going into CRP mitigation banks than before.


Now my subjective rant...
Nonetheless, you have changing farming practices along the Miss. River and in the north (Arkansas) that keep more birds up north. A lot of farmers make much more per acre on duck leases than actual grain incomes right now and they are trying to encourage good hunting habitat.

You also have the complete degradation of the LA coastline and it’s saltwater marshs. The environments have changed and the birds migration patterns have changed too.

Supposedly there are more birds than ever but they just aren’t making their way down here.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30455 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 8:41 am to
quote:


how much salvinia/hyacinth was there then compared to now?

how many people were at the boat ramp then compared to now?

how many duck blinds were in earshot of your field then compared to now?

how hard was it to get to your spot then compared to now?
I'll buy you a beer.. especially if your dad used to cut my hair...
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13808 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:04 am to
I'll add lock's and damns and CRP/WRP.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:25 am to
With regard to sugarcane acreage, it’s not so much the overall acres per se as much as where the acres are now. We have TONS of cane around, what was all historically rice. Used to have zero.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30455 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:30 am to
quote:

With regard to sugarcane acreage, it’s not so much the overall acres per se as much as where the acres are now. We have TONS of cane around, what was all historically rice. Used to have zero.
Here in lies da truth part 3
Posted by headedwest21
Member since Dec 2016
1108 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:58 am to
As jimbeam said, it’s where it’s at. Seems half of VP is now sugarcane. Big areas right north of Kaplan that used to hold birds every year are now cane.

I’ve said from the beginning that yes, flooding corn is holding birds longer up north. I never disagreed with them on that. They just will not give up that it’s legal and consider it the only problem we have. If someone says they had a bad day hunting in the middle of a neighborhood, it’s the corns fault. People up north are taking advantage of producing duck habitat. Maybe if they focused on doing that here we would be better.

I feel like the hunting pressure is getting to the birds more and more every year. First week of season, birds would haul arse if they heard the slightest little quack. Everything is already spooked.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5001 posts
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:31 pm to
quote:


With regard to sugarcane acreage, it’s not so much the overall acres per se as much as where the acres are now. We have TONS of cane around, what was all historically rice. Used to have zero.


There is probably 10 times more rice acreage that has gone to grass/green rice crawfish ponds or just grown up in trees than sugarcane

There maybe 15k max of former rice acreage that has been converted to cane and there was 600k acres of rice planted in 1999 and 430k this past year
Biggest decline is in Vermilion parish
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