re: Taurus's new Judge

I love when someone enters a discussion with a twisted view of what is actually being said.

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Now the FBI gelatin test are biased and irrelevant because someone can die from a baseball

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The point I was making was, and I quote "While depth of penetration may be a semi vlaid point for a bladed weapon, I'm not certain it should be conisdered in isoloation as a qualifing factor for defensive round."


If you fail to see that there are MANY more factors other than simple depth of penetration that make particular weapon/round lethal I feel sorry for you.

Never once did I say or imply anything about biased FBI gelatin tests.

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Fine, but don't suggest one to someone who is looking for a self defense handgun. They may believe you know what you're talking about.

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Why the dickness? Just nature?

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Thats fine, then let me throw a round of each at you in a dark hallway, see how you can take it.

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I don't want to be in a dark hall with a hammer being thrown at me, much less anything out of a firearm. At the same time I don't want to be in a dark hall with an intruder while slinging a hammer, rabid weenie dogs, .22 rat shot, or 410 shot shells.

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gas passer

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100% agree Infidel.

If anyone has one of these, please load it up with .45LC

How can anyone read the results at Box O' Truth and not understand that the .410 is NOT a reliable man stopper?

I understand shooting into water jugs is not the greatest ballistics test out there, but with the pitiful amount of penetration the .410 shells have, anyone would be a fool to think they would be effective against a jacked up meth head intent on doing them bodily harm.

You folks have to realize, at the point you pull a gun out and point it at another human being, then you have made your decision...the decision to possibly take their life.
At that point they will react. They may run away, or they may stay and fight with intent to take your life. Do you want to "hope" that your .410 shotshell is enough to stop a person intent on killing you or KNOW that the gun you pointed at him will do the job when your life is on the line?

My point is, get a gun that is a known, effective man stopper. Take said gun and go practice with it, get comfortable with it, and be able to place shots in a kill zone from 10-20 feet.

A .410 whether it is a shotshell, slug, pistol or long gun is NOT that gun.

While others may wonder if their .410 is enough, I will be sleeping comfortably tonight knowing my 12 Gauge and my .45 are both more than enough to get the job done in one shot. ;)

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DO NOT BUY It is nothing more than a gemmick gun. You buy a pistol or you buy a shotgun, not something trying to be both. A .410 round has been proven to be inadequate in home defense situations and a .45 long colt is the last thing I wanna have to shoot several of in a tense situation.

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Unless you've fired the Judge and actually seen it's results first hand STFU. If this gun was pointed at you from within 10ft( in which most confrontations occur) you'd piss your pants. If you hit your target with the 45 there is no need for a "follow up round" this is an excellent gun for lots of reasons. For instance, to keep in your truck. Carjacker?? No problem, I don't give a shite if you have the 410 or .45 in the revolver it WILL stop your target from that range. You wanna volunteer to take a 410 buckshot round in the face??? No?? I didn't think so. Oh, and one more important thing, it's a revolver, it will go "bang" when you pull the trigger.

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Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about

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410 to the face, huh? Great plan.

lol! This is still going on?? Every week someone starts a thread asking for advice on this "gun" and every week a large group of people lay out the reasons why it is not a good choice for home defense. I guess some (since they're the same posters everytime) will never learn.

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Unless you've fired the Judge and actually seen it's results first hand STFU. If this gun was pointed at you from within 10ft( in which most confrontations occur) you'd piss your pants. If you hit your target with the 45 there is no need for a "follow up round" this is an excellent gun for lots of reasons. For instance, to keep in your truck. Carjacker?? No problem, I don't give a shite if you have the 410 or .45 in the revolver it WILL stop your target from that range. You wanna volunteer to take a 410 buckshot round in the face??? No?? I didn't think so. Oh, and one more important thing, it's a revolver, it will go "bang" when you pull the trigger.

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I have fired one... At a snake and it did it's job. I doubt I would piss my pants, I'd hope the .410 birdshot didn't sting too bad. So you're saying that an untrained person in a dark house is going to hit the perp with that .45lc everytime and there is no need for a follow up shot? Why are we shooting .45lc's out of it if the .410 is the best defensive round in the world anyway? Man now we're recommenting that big clunky thing as a truck gun...geeez.

and please stop asking if the Judge haters "would like to take a ___ round to the face?" STFU no one wants to volunteer to take any kind of bullet to the face. idiots...

45 LC vs 45 acp is not a comparison I am familiar with. Probably b/c the LC is a antiquated round that all but died out a long time ago. Never looked at the numbers, for obvious reasons, so I can't argue the point. Have you ever wondered why there very few other weapons out there chambered for the round (LC) and none of those are marketed for self defense? Hummmmmm..........