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re: Street legal ATV/UTV

Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27378 posts
Posted on 3/17/19 at 8:48 pm to
quote:

Why do you need a street
Legal UTV?


I've always wanted a street legal sand rail but couldn't justify the price.

13k is easier to stomach than 60.

It's jist a safer motorcycke to me.
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
5095 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:22 am to
quote:

Legal enough to drive down I10 and not get hassled.


If you don't have a license plate or insurance on it a cop is going to throw the book at you one day.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27378 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:38 am to
I have both.

And... No, he won't.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51798 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:44 am to
There is no such thing as a street legal atv/utv no matter what anyone tells you.

NONE of them have undergone DOT crash testing.

Same reason you can't legally drive these little Asian mini trucks on the highway.

Some areas lessen the strings a bit on golf carts that have signals/brake lights on them but that still doesn't make them legal to drive on the highway if the wrong jackass pulls you over on it.

The company I used to design for actually sells a shite ton of atvs that are road legal in the EU but the regs are different there than they are here.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 10:48 am
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:54 am to
quote:

There is no such thing as a street legal atv/utv no matter what anyone tells you.

NONE of them have undergone DOT crash testing.

Same reason you can't legally drive these little Asian mini trucks on the highway.

Some areas lessen the strings a bit on golf carts that have signals/brake lights on them but that still doesn't make them legal to drive on the highway if the wrong jackass pulls you over on it.

The company I used to design for actually sells a shite ton of atvs that are road legal in the EU but the regs are different there than they are here.


My man you are clueless, several states allow the mini trucks just as several do utv's, there is zero requirement for federal crash testing on the states.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51798 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:20 pm to
I was only in the business for 12 years so if that's clueless then so be it.


Run into something or someone with a vehicle that is not imported as DOT approved and watch what happens. State law doesn't supersede federal law in these instances my man. Do some locals allow them, my OP even stated that but again; bring potential litigation into the mix and you're going to be in a world of shite.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15092 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:43 pm to
Mississippi law allows all-terrain vehicles to be driven on public property on two conditions.

“You either have to have a valid driver’s license or you have to go to a safety course that is mandated by the state of Mississippi and federal government,” Lee County Sheriff Jim Johnson said. “(It’s) taught by the county extension office as a certified course.”

Johnson said the problem is a gray area in the law. It does not specifically exclude public roads, which means it’s legal, even if the federal government considers these vehicles “off-road.”

LINK
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51798 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:52 pm to
That gray area you mention is a big damn area.

The perspective I was speaking of and referring to was strictly from a manufacturer's point of view and how it relates to liability insurance, etc.

May a local or state government allow them? Sure, but if there were to be an accident followed by litigation, the vehicle owner and manufacturer would be in deep doo doo because the machine would have been used in a manner inconsistent with it's original intent. Any liability insurance would be worthless.

Back in the day, we imported a few hundred of a mini truck made by GM/Delphi. Low and behold the shipment got pegged for inspection by customs. They wouldn't release them until we had all sorts of labels made and installed stating they were strictly for off road use and we had to restrict the speed to <35mph.

Again, the manufacturer we were importing for built atv specifically for road use in Europe and Australia but we couldn't import them here without all sorts of testing to be conducted by DOT. It was cost prohibitive to do the testing but they're still selling the road units in Europe to this day. I haven't been in the business for about 10 years but back then it was a no no with zero wiggle room.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15092 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:11 pm to
Federal safety standards don't apply to minitrucks because they are sold as off-road vehicles, even though they are permitted on public roads in some states. Twenty-one states now allow minitrucks on specific portions of public roads.

LINK

quote:

Sure, but if there were to be an accident followed by litigation, the vehicle owner and manufacturer would be in deep doo doo because the machine would have been used in a manner inconsistent with it's original intent. Any liability insurance would be worthless.


Insurance companies (Progressive, Farm Bureau...) sell liability insurance for on road use of these mini trucks in states where it is legal.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:14 pm to
You are co-mingling two distinct issues, required federal manufacturing standards and state traffic laws, while one would think they dovetail the fact is they do not.

Hell pretty much every state will let you homebuild and grant title.

The only federal issue would be parks and some interstates.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51798 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:14 pm to
That's cool. Those things are neat as heck. Back when I was in the game those concessions weren't in place.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27378 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Run into something or someone with a vehicle that is not imported as DOT approved and watch what happens. State law doesn't supersede federal law in these instances my man. Do some locals allow them, my OP even stated that but again; bring potential litigation into the mix and you're going to be in a world of shite.




Wrong.

Driving on Airline in Baton Rouge, a woman in a Kia fails to yield and slams into the side of me. 10-12k in damages. 22k in medical bills because it aggravated a previous back injury and I required multiple MRIs.

State Trooper on scene wrote a ticket to her. Looked at my paperwork and sent me on my way.

My insurance company sued hers. USAA, they paid in full in less than 60 days.

I'm well versed in insurance law, I used to put failing companies into rehabilitation and receivership.

What you are stating is false. A constructed titled vehicle, a vehicle which has been granted road legal status in a state, or an offroad vehicle being driven on road is still covered in accidents by a full coverage insurance policy in the state of Louisiana.




Louisiana statute strictly forbids the use of UTVs and sidebysides on roadways. The loophole used to make them "legal" and getting a plate is that the idiots procide specific dimensions. They state that anything under these dimensions is a sidebyside. There are ZERO statutes governing the larger units.

So if you have:

DOT tires and wheels (easy)
Blinkers signals markers and lighting (easy)
Either a winshield with wiper or always wear a helmet (easy)
Seatbelts (easy)
Full coverage insurance (easy)
Inspection sticker (easy)

The only hard part is knowing how to get the plate and registration.

I've emailed a few of you with the info, but it isn't exactly hard once someone has done all of the legwork for you on what forms to fill out.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59609 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:29 pm to
I still have the email saved.

Gonna try to move mine (on paper) to my buddies place in Utah to get it registered there. Then bring it back.
Posted by jmailbaot
Member since May 2020
1 post
Posted on 5/25/20 at 8:56 am to
I was reading your post about registering a UTV as street legal in Louisiana and wanted to know if you could share some info on that or point me in the right direction? Any advice is greatly appreciated, Thanks
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
14049 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:11 am to
Dirt Legal

This company claims they can help you register. They may can help?
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27378 posts
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:01 pm to
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