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Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:11 am
Posted by MarsellusWallace
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:11 am
I'm looking to buy a small sport fishing boat to billfish the northern gulf. Have my eye on the 35 Cabo Express. One of my close fishing partners is going to go in with me and likely keep it in Venice or Grand Isle most of the year.

We've owned a lot of boats, but all bay boats. Looking for advice on how to think about annual upkeep. I know dockage & insurance won't be cheap and there will always be the unexpected bill. Happens all the time on my bay boat.

Anyone have experience with boats like this? We want a sport fisher so it opens up overnight trips and more comfortable family rides as well.

What am I missing?
Posted by Mister Bigfish
Member since Oct 2018
909 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:38 am to
I hope you realize how high annual maintenance on those things can get. Plus anytime you need to remove it from the water it ain’t like putting it on a trailer to get out. Every haul out is very expensive.

I know someone who bought an older model but functional Hatteras for around 40k. He is pretty handy and does most of the work. Even with him doing most of the work he has thrown at least 25-40k at that thing in the last couple years.
Posted by Mister Bigfish
Member since Oct 2018
909 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:43 am to
Here is a thread from The Hull Truth from 2019 with a few numbers thrown around. Just keep in mind how mush shite has gone up since 2019 to know from inflation.

LINK
Posted by Sparetime
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Member since Sep 2014
876 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:01 am to
The old captain rule of thumb is $1k/foot per year, I say that is relative to the boat, owner, and captain/crew. I've always seen the spreadsheet as per hour operating cost, just like airplane deals with multiple owners. This article is dang close to actual numbers i've seen personally.

LINK /

Thoughts that you may be missing:
1. You are gonna need a part time captain/crew to maintain it at dock and run your first trips. Cabo 35 is big enough that you will need a crew to get you going initially. If not, you will spend more time keeping the boat than fishing. You need to have a network of captains, mates, mechanics, and detailers before you even begin to shop.


2. Billfish Tackle is a whole different animal. Tackle is at a premium cost, and you will need a ton of it. Also, I always want at least one mate to help with rigging baits and tackle. For example, this is our bare minimum setup for fun fishing:
2: 80ws
3: 50ws
2: 30ws
1: teaser
1: dredge
2 moldcraft/black bart large
2 cedar chains
3 ilander
3-4 boxes ballyhoo
rigging needles and floss
brine
terminal tackle

Thats over 5k in the water, not counting another couple grand of replacement. I would budget 10-12k for tackle in the purchase price agreement with your buddy.

Number Uno before you got down the rabbit hole.... It is a money and time nightmare, but I love it!!!!




Posted by Novastar
Member since Jan 2023
271 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 12:25 pm to
Maintenance and operating costs will be an exponential change from a bay boat. From experience you should factor 10% - 20% of the purchase price for annual cost of ownership.

Hire someone to survey the hull and diesels separately.

If you're set on making the purchase, I would consider an Albamarle, and Henriques in addition to the Cabo. Viking also makes a nice Express, but it's a different price point.

Not sure where you're located, but I would consider keeping the boat in GI at Hurricane Hole. It's the nicest marina in Louisiana with great amenities for the family. Day trips offshore are more cost effective from GI as well.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24957 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 12:42 pm to
There is a reason 35+ ft center consoles have exploded the last 10 years.

They're much faster to cover way more water
They're much cheaper to maintain
They're much cheaper to run
Don't have to pay slip fees
Don't have to worry about getting your boat out of the path of a storm/hurricane.

Etc, etc...
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 12:54 pm to
Woooooo....taking up bill fishing as a pastime is not normally done with any consideration for money...its usually one of those "if you have to ask your probably ain't got it". Especially in the Gulf. Its usually a long boat ride to any bill fish other than sails even in Venice. That alone keeps most people from taking it up on a budget.

I had 1/4 share in a 26 foot Mako CC with twin 250s on a bracket from 1996 - 2008. It was kept in dry storage in Stuart Florida (it is entirely possible to regularly catch sails in that part of Florida withing a mile of the hill and not un-heard of to catch striped and white marlin in the same areas...the gulf stream does, on occasion, hit the hill in that area). That boat in that area was a sail fish catching machine. I had reworked the boat from the transom to the bow before I sold shares in it. I knew it backward and forwards. The other 3 owners were pretty well heeled...they did not think a helluva lot about money. I did almost ALL the maintenance work myself because I enjoy doing it and do not trust anyone else to do it right...especially on a boat that I, for all intents and purposes, hand built. That being said if something minor happened while one of us was using it we simply fixed it out of our pocket...no one ever complained. We never had any major issues but, if we had to repower, for example, I would have done it out of pocket and if someone did not want to pay they'd be paid out and there'd be three of us left. This was understood but never tested. We never had any issues. I used the boat far more than anyone else.

This is a vastly different boat, however, from what you are talking about. Keeping a boat in dry storage and keeping one in the water is an entirely different situation...the latter is infinitely worse on maintenance. I would consider a walk around that could be dry stored. It will do anything a sportfisherman will do and will do so comfortably for fishermen. In my experience the thrill of riding in any boat offshore fades the first time you return through any pass on an outgoing tide with a fresh sea breeze...most folks who like the idea of boat riding offshore take up golf after facing confused 5-6s mere seconds apart on an outgoing tide in a narrow pass choked with boat traffic. I have been in passes on the Flordia Atlantic Coast in 60 foot sportfisherman and at times they are just as wet and uncomfortable as a center console. Most people are sane enough to not enjoy being in a boat offshore even in 1-2s. Only an insane fisherman is willing to risk much more than 3-4s. I can't imagine a more boring and painful experience than being in a boat offshore simply for the sake of being in a boat offshore. I would posit that the idea of family members joining you offshore will not happen often enough to warrant the extra expenses of a true sportfisherman...especially since you are asking about expenses. A 30 foot walk around with twins or more will be far less expensive than a true sportfisherman in the long run.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

2. Billfish Tackle is a whole different animal. Tackle is at a premium cost, and you will need a ton of it. Also, I always want at least one mate to help with rigging baits and tackle. For example, this is our bare minimum setup for fun fishing:
2: 80ws
3: 50ws
2: 30ws
1: teaser
1: dredge
2 moldcraft/black bart large
2 cedar chains
3 ilander
3-4 boxes ballyhoo
rigging needles and floss
brine
terminal tackle

Thats over 5k in the water, not counting another couple grand of replacement. I would budget 10-12k for tackle in the purchase price agreement with your buddy.

Number Uno before you got down the rabbit hole.... It is a money and time nightmare, but I love it!!!!



It is not unusual at all, even in south florida where sailfish, at least, are regularly far closer to the hill than they are in the Gulf, to spend $1000 a day on fuel and bait alone. Billfishing is an expensive hobby. It is entirely possible to do it on your own and doing it in South Florida is surprisingly easy at times (again, sailfish mainly but stripes and whites are not uncommon) and affordable...but to target the damned things anywhere requires a LOT of very expensive tackle and bait.

That being said, outside of sails, I don't know why anyone would spend the time and effort to target the damned things regularly. For a few years, yes, it is something that gets in your blood...but to do it for 30 years? I like catching fish as much as anyone but at times bill fishing is actually pretty damned boring, after you've caught some of course. The first 20 or so is like nothing else on earth...but I would prefer a 60 pound sail to a 150 pound stripe any day. I am the same way with big Tarpon though...50 pounds of Tarpon is more than enough for me...being tangled up with a fish in the sun for more than about 30 minutes is just not a lot of fun after you have done it some.
Posted by Sparetime
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Member since Sep 2014
876 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:32 am to
quote:

I'm looking to buy a small sport fishing boat to billfish the northern gulf. Have my eye on the 35 Cabo Express.


I would start with a Tiara sport before jumping into a Cabo, find one with Yanmars. Spend a summer and fall on her and see if you can swallow all the negatives of the season. We did this and it was invaluable.

Advantages
1. Yanmars cheaper to maintain than Cat/Cummins
2. Wide beam is comparable to Cabo.
3. Easier to run without Captain.
4. Cheaper purchase and not as risky.
5. Cabin is comparable in size to see if it's enough.

You go through a season and it sticks you will quickly find that you will want:
A) Those 25 kn cruises are too slow and trade for CC.
B) Not near the room you thought your were getting and will move up to a mid 40s Flybridge with 2 berths.

Posted by TheGasMan
Member since Oct 2014
3140 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:40 am to
quote:

South Florida

quote:

stripes are not uncommon


Uhh, does somebody want to tell him?

Anywho, there’s some solid info in this thread, and some bad. But nothing beats being hooked up to a 400+ lb blue marlin.
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:00 am to
With only owning bay boats you don't have enough experience for the majority of the insurers out there to offer coverage. Your partner may have the experience and might pass but you will not be able to pilot the boat without him.
If he has no experience with said boat size nobody is going to insure.
That's primarily what you're missing.
Posted by arczr2
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Member since Oct 2020
257 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:14 am to
Sounds like a horrible idea. Get ready to pay a ton in maintenance and stuff always breaking. Overnight for tuna/ marlin realistically is hit front runner in green canyon and that is 80 plus miles from caminada pass. Id would suggest troll with 80s if dead set on marlin and learn how to live bait blackfin how big boys do it. Oh and can always buy an omniscope as well what the big boys all use like 150k dollar transducer. Get ready for a money pit........Big boy game owning a big slow sporty probably need a atl fuel locker just to get to green canyon with that fuel burn.
Posted by Sparetime
Lookin down at La
Member since Sep 2014
876 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:19 am to
quote:

Anywho, there’s some solid info in this thread, and some bad. But nothing beats being hooked up to a 400+ lb blue marlin.


Preach brotha!

I believe the OP is asking about Northern gulf boat and tackle. Bigger game up here!

Nothing like leadering a even a rat blue next to the boat to see that pie plate eye stare through your soul is exciting. To watch a big girl kill and swallow a bull dolphin like a Cheeto is beyond anything in nature I have seen.

Don't get me wrong, getting into a patch of Sails or bottom fishing snapper is fun, but backing down on a "Freak on a Leash" is almost Biblical. You drop the hammers back, blow black coal, and hold on!
Posted by LSUDUCKMAN67
DTB
Member since Sep 2020
874 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:42 am to
MONEY PIT!!!! Like everyone else said about tackle, bait and fuel. Plus, u have to worry about ur burn rate vs what u hold. If you don't hold enough u will need to add fuel bladders.

Remember the 3 F's ........ rent it!

I honestly would buy a used mono hull or cat. Less mantaince, cover more ground and WAY FASTER!!!!
Posted by shellbeachspeckzzz
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Member since Jan 2024
250 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:56 am to
If theyre are thinking about getting a sportfishing boat i gonna assume money is not a problem for them at all
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Member since Mar 2018
5121 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:52 pm to
35' SF is going to be a day boat in the gulf at best, we aren't talking about a 70 Spencer. Here's a 34 JB that should be a solid boat but quarters are tight as are most short boats;LINK
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29927 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

Small Sportfishing Boat

What am I missing?


for starters, a small boat = under 20ft

why are you asking about small boats when you say want a very large 35 ft boat?
Posted by TheGasMan
Member since Oct 2014
3140 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

To watch a big girl kill and swallow a bull dolphin like a Cheeto is beyond anything in nature I have seen.

Had this happen to us at Big Rock last year. Tiniest little peanut dolphin hits the flat line. I drop it back cause what the hell, that’s the best teaser ever. 20 seconds later big ole man in the blue suit broached and landed mouth open on the dolphin inhaling it.
Posted by Novastar
Member since Jan 2023
271 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

With only owning bay boats you don't have enough experience for the majority of the insurers out there to offer coverage.


Age of boat, agreed value, top speed, past claims, location, and experience are all factors in regards to annual insurance premiums.

Top speed is a significant contributing factor with large trip engine CC's. 70+ mph boats costs $$$ to insure.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24957 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

for starters, a small boat = under 20ft


He said small sportfishing boat. Small sportfish is 35'.

I guess he could have said he was looking for an express?
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