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Posted on 8/27/18 at 12:13 pm to CarRamrod
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Id put money on it that most of the people saying "get a real lab" has a sofa magnet lab that cant retrieve.
True, that's why I said if the OP wants a cool looking sofa magnet, then by all means, drop a grand on one. I say that because you really have no clue how a so called "Silver Lab" is going to actually turn out for field work. More than likely it will be a dud. However, if you do your homework on a good pedigree AKC/UKC Lab liter from a breeder that has all the proper health certs from the parents, then you stand a better than average chance of having a decent field dog.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 12:19 pm to MWP
quote:oh i understand. But i sure didnt take him asking about a silver as him wanting to run this dog in trials.
True, that's why I said if the OP wants a cool looking sofa magnet, then by all means, drop a grand on one. I say that because you really have no clue how a so called "Silver Lab" is going to actually turn out for field work. More than likely it will be a dud. However, if you do your homework on a good pedigree AKC/UKC Lab liter from a breeder that has all the proper health certs from the parents, then you stand a better than average chance of having a decent field dog.
Butt hey my dobe had 8 champions in his tree and he is the dumbest smart dog i know.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 12:30 pm to CarRamrod
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But i sure didnt take him asking about a silver as him wanting to run this dog in trials.
I didn't either. I honestly think they are cool looking dogs, but they aren't Labs (or at least for now they aren't). They are genetic mutations that are bred to look that way.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 12:59 pm to celltech1981
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usually registered as chocolates
Because there is no recognition of silver as a color, and therefore isn't a choice for the breeder to designate the color.
The breeder is essentially lying on the registration papers.
It'd be the same as a GSP breeder designating a lemon and white colored GSP, which is not recognized and a defect, as a liver and white. Then calling the puppy a "Lemon Pointer".
The papers are fraudulent because they are registering the animal as something it isn't.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:08 pm to CarRamrod
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Why would he care about what presidents of AKC chapters would have to say about this? the dude asked where he could get one.
He doesn't care what anyone says is the point. Hip Dysplasia, Skin Allergies, Contributing to the dilution of the Lab Breed; these mean nothing to him.
The AKC has a strong Anti-Silver Stance for good reason. The health and quality of the dogs being put out by "Sliver Kennels" is questionable at best. Yet, people are on here disputing the quality of a Silver against people with years of field trial experience, field judge experience, and breeding experience with some of the Premier kennels in the US and UK.
I hope the OP follows up with this thread three years from now with an update.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:19 pm to NimbleCat
Screw you guys, I'm taking my Wildrose puppy factory Fox Red and going home.
All this damn hate in here. If a man wants to spend his hard earned money and get a fricking Silver Lab for his side piece so be it. Last time I checked this was America. Not some communist nation run by lab owning snowflakes.
All this damn hate in here. If a man wants to spend his hard earned money and get a fricking Silver Lab for his side piece so be it. Last time I checked this was America. Not some communist nation run by lab owning snowflakes.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:21 pm to MWP
quote:Based on what?
More than likely it will be a dud.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:23 pm to MWP
quote:What mutation took them out of "lab" category and why?
They are genetic mutations that are bred to look that way.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:24 pm to Tbooux
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There are ethics involved in a breeding program that should follow the breed standard.
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Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:43 pm to AlxTgr
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Based on what?
I have seen 3 Silvers that were purchased to be hunting dogs and none of them turned into credible hunters. One had a good bit of money dropped into it's training and the trainer told the owner after 3 months that he din't want to take any more money from him because the dog wasn't worth it.
Furthermore, I run UKC hunt tests and have yet to see a Silver run in anything I have run in. I also think there have been a few posts from others that echo that.
So, there is not a lot of good evidence out there that proves a Silver will turn out to be a decent hunting dog.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:44 pm to NimbleCat
quote:why should he? He wants a dog and there are people out there selling them.
e doesn't care what anyone says is the point. Hip Dysplasia, Skin Allergies, Contributing to the dilution of the Lab Breed; these mean nothing to him
quote:well let them fight the breeders that are breeding them.
he AKC has a strong Anti-Silver Stance for good reason
Dudes wife want a dog. and youa re here condemning him. Like i said before. You sound like the queers who bitch at people that get pure breeds instead of adopting strays.
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Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:45 pm to MWP
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One had a good bit of money dropped into it's training and the trainer told the owner after 3 months that he din't want to take any more money from him because the dog wasn't worth it.
That's happened with countless AKC reg. blacks and yellows..
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:47 pm to NimbleCat
So, where is the OB on Charcoal and Champagne? What non-lab breed was inserted for those?
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The E Locus
The E locus is where it is determined if the Labrador will be yellow and it trumps the B locus. Yellow Labs occur when two recessive alleles are present (ie the alleles are ee). So regardless of the B locus, if the Lab has two recessive alleles at the E locus (ee), then s/he will be yellow. However, if a dominant allele is present (EE or Ee), then the Labrador will not be yellow and the coloring will default to the B locus and will be black or chocolate.
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The Possible Combinations
Here are the possible combinations for each of these different colors of Lab.
Black: BBEE, BBEe, BbEE, BbEe
Chocolate: bbEE, bbEe
Yellow: BBee, Bbee, bbee
So what about the other colors? When researching Labs, you can also find charcoal, silver, and champagne. These rarer colors are result of the dilution gene.
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The Dilution Gene
The dilution gene is at the D locus. There are dominant D alleles and recessive d alleles. If a Labrador of any main color (black, chocolate, yellow) has at least one dominant D allele (DD or Dd), then their color will be “normal” (ie black will be black, chocolate will be chocolate, yellow will be yellow). However, if two recessive d alleles are present (dd), then the color will be diluted. Black will be diluted to charcoal; chocolate will be diluted to silver; and yellow will be diluted to champagne.
Here are the possible combinations of all three loci for each of the colors of Lab.
Black: BBEEDD, BBEEDd, BBEeDD, BBEeDd, BbEEDD, BbEEDd, BbEeDD, BbEeDd
Charcoal: BBEEdd, BBEedd, BbEEdd, BbEedd
Chocolate: bbEEDD, bbEEDd, bbEeDD, bbEeDd
Silver: bbEEdd, bbEedd
Yellow: BBeeDD, BbeeDd, bbeeDD, BBeeDd, BbeeDD, bbeeDd
Champagne: BBeedd, Bbeedd, bbeedd
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:50 pm to MWP
quote:see i understand you point, but i see it the opposite way. I see pure bred labs everywhere! and 90% of them are not hunting dogs. Sure the baw might take him hunting or sent him off to be trained but you rarely see these guys spend time working with these dogs and they humt maybe twice a year. They are essentially sofa dogs. (im not talking about the baws that do field trials)
I have seen 3 Silvers that were purchased to be hunting dogs and none of them turned into credible hunters. One had a good bit of money dropped into it's training and the trainer told the owner after 3 months that he din't want to take any more money from him because the dog wasn't worth it.
So why is he getting hated on because he wants to get a dog for his wife? he didnt say he wants to compete in field trials.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:52 pm to Capt ST
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That's happened with countless AKC reg. blacks and yellows..
True, but if you do your homework on the pedigree of a liter that has a background of Blacks and Yellows, it makes it less likely of getting a dud if you train it properly. That's because there is a history behind those colors you can trace about as far back as you want to go. Not so with a Silver.
If the OP wants a Silver, more power to him. Enjoy the dog.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:53 pm to AlxTgr
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So, where is the OB on Charcoal and Champagne? What non-lab breed was inserted for those?
The dilution gene was not seen in the Labrador breed until the kennels that also bred weimaraners, which have the dilution gene, started having dilution gene colored labs.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 1:58 pm to Sus-Scrofa
quote:"My dog is better than yours because I paid $2000 for it, and it has papers".
What an odd thread
Some of the dumbest dogs I've seen have papers and get bred
Posted on 8/27/18 at 2:00 pm to pointdog33
quote:This seems like one of those things places like this believe with no actual scientific support.
The dilution gene was not seen in the Labrador breed until the kennels that also bred weimaraners, which have the dilution gene, started having dilution gene colored labs.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 2:10 pm to AlxTgr
The lineages have been traced.
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The fact is, the dilution gene found in Labradors now, is the exact same gene that gives us the coat dilution in Weimaraners.
Many people feel that the spontaneous appearance of this dd dilution gene, in the Labrador Retriever gene pool is to say the least unlikely.
Diane Well of Blueknights labs does not go quite so far as to directly accuse the breeders concerned but points out However, it is interesting to note that Silver Labradors can be traced back to two breeders. Those breeders are Dean Crist (Culo) and Beaver Creek Labradors.
Both of their lines trace back to Kellogg kennels (L.E. Kellogg and Harold E. Kellogg) Kellogg Kennels began breeding Labradors in 1922. Guess what else they’re famous for breeding? They’re credited for the ‘rare’ pointing Labrador of course!
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These are the latest results of the dilutes research in the LabradorNet Database.
There is a total of 2471 dilutes in the database, of which 2454 (99.3%) are verified to be descending from the following dogs: – Kellogg’s Kernel (6/19/1961) – Kellogg’s Nick (3/19/1953)
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