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Should I “bulletproof” my 6.0L F250?

Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:59 am
Posted by banone74
Member since Oct 2006
1124 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:59 am
I bought it new in ‘03, about 160K mi, pull a small boat every now & then. What can I expect after? I’ve just heard all kinds of stories and outcomes so it’s hard to judge. The posters on this board are solid, so I’m asking for help. It’s been diagnosed as having a couple of bad injectors so I’ve got to make a decision. Thanks guys
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67493 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:13 pm to
You can't bulletproof a Ford; impossible

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What can I expect after?

After what?
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It’s been diagnosed as having a couple of bad injectors so I’ve got to make a decision

IF you're asking whether to have the injectors replaced or buy a new truck, if you like the truck replace the injectors and go fishing.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:15 pm to
Lots of questions to ask here to make an educated decision. Bulletproofing is very expensive and I know of some 6.0s that went up near 300k miles with only very minor issues.

If you answer yes to any of these questions, you should strongly consider it.

Do you suspect the previous owner added power to the truck? Programmer/chip/mods/etc

Do you plan to add power to the truck?

Are you bad about not following factory scheduled maintenance plans and using OEM fluids and parts?

Is it worth the money to you to not have that concern in your mind?

Do you intend to keep it up to and past 250k miles?
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25492 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:47 pm to
I don’t feel bulletproofing is a necessity unless you have a programmer. If it’s never had a programmer and you have been the only owner and just casual hauling, I would fix the injectors but save the 3-5 grand on cost of bulletproof.
Posted by banone74
Member since Oct 2006
1124 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:51 pm to
I’m the original owner & haven’t modified anything to this point. I’d love to keep as long as I can, no problem having a high mileage vehicle. I know it’s expensive, but sure beats 50K for another one.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2838 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:52 pm to
I had an 06 until last year 170K mi, pulled a large boat but no frequent "heavy" towing beyond that. I never had more than injectors / oil cooler / turbo clean / glow plugs replaced.

I had a sct programmer on middle setting, but didn't hot rod it. I thought about it, but I did not do head studs.

You will probably go through more injectors, nature of the beast. You will most likely have the oil cooler and the egr cooler fail eventually. It is just a matter of time.

If it was mine, I would go with at least the bulletproof egr cooler or delete. At a min. Blow that and you could be talking at the worst hydrolock with catastrophic engine damage.

Head studs, maybe not so much, but if you have the funds you might as well.

Bulletproof oil cooler (expensive) but again if you have the funds, why not. Or at least change it out when you do the egr cooler. If it clogs with casting sand or other gunk from the block, your egr cooler will cook itself.

Somewhere in the process do a full coolant flush with VC9 to get rid of the casting sand / gunk.

A word of advice - Only Motorcraft filters all the way around, changing to 5w/40 and adding some archoil 9100 might help with the injector issue if it is due to stiction (you can try hot shots secret but it didn't do much for mine) archoil at every oil change got me through three years of "bad injector(s)" before I really had to change the ones that were failing. Continued with that after the change and ended up not having any other injector issues for the rest of the time I owned it.

Make sure they check your fuel pressure, and if low or close to low have them upgrade it to the blue spring (I believe it is the blue spring).

There were several FICM calibration updates along the way. One buzzes the injectors for a while when you turn on the key. This was supposed to heat them up a little / free them to help with the stiction issue. Didn't do much for mine, but you might want to check if all the calibrations are up to date.

While you are at it, pull the turbo and clean or change the unison ring, vanes and housing. I also think there is an upgraded oil feed or return line for the 03 turbo too.

Don't test drive a 17 or newer while having yours looked at, trust me.

Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10312 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:53 pm to
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50K for another one.


Better add 10-20k more if you plan to buy a new one with a diesel.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2838 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:56 pm to
I was about to say, well equipped new 17/18 with the 6.7 will run you between 71 & 77 sticker. 6.7 is roughly an 8600 option.
Posted by banone74
Member since Oct 2006
1124 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 1:06 pm to
Yes I was being conservative on that 50K, ridiculous. There’s some valuable info in here, I’ll post the pron later. Thx guys
Posted by CaptainsWafer
TD Platinum Member
Member since Feb 2006
58362 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 1:37 pm to
I thought the old 7.3s were pretty indestructible?
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2751 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 1:41 pm to
I wouldn't bother with head studs, but you would be well served to put in a new oil cooler, delete egr, and install a coolant filter while doing the injectors. Do you know what your current oil/water temp Deltas are?
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 1:42 pm
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
21968 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

6.0L


get rid of that as fast as you can.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 2:46 pm to
Well that makes it easier. Do you use OEM filters and fluids that meet spec and follow the intervals in the manual? Do you occasionally work the engine hard?

Most of the issues you hear about with the 6.0 are results of poor maintenance practice and increasing power output. FICM failures are likely due to voltage fluctuations from bad batteries. Head studs likely due to increased power output. Egr coolers due to buildup and/or hard thermo cycling.

It was the first "modern" diesel offered in a pickup and many people treated it like a 7.3. The things that make old diesels run bad grenade new diesels.

You're spot on with your logic. While keeping yours may get expensive, it also might not. A new one is definitely extremely expensive. If I were you I'd keep it and leave it stock until first major failure. Bulletproof after that. Be very diligent with maintenance.
Posted by Lefty Diego
West of the Pecos
Member since Aug 2009
701 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:00 pm to
I have a 2003 6.0 with 166k on it. Bought new, no mods. Replaced injectors once, FICM and a few other things along the way.. It finally died. Mechanic said there was metal in the oil, bad valve etc. I don't remember what all. He recommended rebuild/replacement. It is not my daily driver and hasn't been for a while. so here it sits. Shiops in my part of the world start at 12k. Not to mention the tow bill.
Posted by Chris4x4gill2
North Alabama
Member since Nov 2008
3092 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:21 pm to
I have an 05.

I have done the basics, but not a full bulletproof.

EGR delete
Blue Spring Fuel Pressure reg update
Upstands and dummy plug update
Turbo line updates
Coolant filter - new CAT coolant
HPOP filter upgrade / replace

I also have an upgraded FCIM due to the original going bad several years back.


I'm at 120K with no major issues so far. used most weekends to pull a boat in the summer and tractor or 4 wheelers in the fall.

Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

Most of the issues you hear about with the 6.0 are results of poor maintenance practice and increasing power output.


This.

If you’re religious on your maintenance and use OEM filters and such, you should not have any issues. People want to turn diesels into sports cars with programs and such, they’re not made for that shite.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27443 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

get rid of that as fast as you can.



The 6.0 is a great motor.... Once you clean up the stupidity
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28207 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 4:38 pm to
How long do you plan on keeping it?

Weigh that against the cost of the work, keeping in mind bulletproofing does help with resale.
Posted by BRVMAX
Lousiana
Member since Sep 2004
111 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 4:45 pm to
Get rid of it...sold my 6.0 at 100k...multiple injector failures...POS
Posted by banone74
Member since Oct 2006
1124 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 7:17 pm to
I have no idea about the oil/water temps and as far as the maintenance/OEM filters go, again not sure. I’ve had it serviced at a few different places, some quick change kinda places, and specialized diesel places. So I’m sure it got the good stuff at the latter. I plan on keeping it as long as it will run.
It’s interesting to see the different posts here and opinions elsewhere. It goes from “heck yeah do it, put 350K on mine”, to “sell that POS”!
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