re: Shot the XDs .45ACP for the first time this morning...

I paid $599 almost a year ago. I think its been that long. Barking Irons.

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Glock has a wide slide and a wide frame. If you haven't seen a Glock compared side by side to a single stack, there really is a huge difference.

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The only reason (initially) that I bought the XDs. It was so much slimmer...and I wanted to hurl 45 acp at paper zombie transgressors.

I really like the pistol, and it is easy to carry. My double stack Glock is like trying to conceal a 1987 Motorola phone.

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My double stack Glock is like trying to conceal a 1987 Motorola phone.

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Zac Morris cellphone ftw.

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And FWIW I conceal a Glock 19 most of the time with ease and I'm a fairly small guy... Only about 5-10 170lbs

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I'm not arguing that it can't be done. I can conceal my SR9c and it's dimensionally similar to a 19. I'm saying that Glock is not a one-shoe-fits-all. Obviously you're biased, and I'm not slamming you for it, but I'm simply saying that they don't have nearly as focused CC guns like other companies do. I can take my CM9 holster off in a matter of seconds whereas I have to open up my belt to remove the Ruger's holster. I can do this because the Kahr is so much smaller and slimmer.

Like I said, it's not a one-shoe-fits-all. It's different for everyone. But you can't argue against a woman in tighter clothing having more comfort and flexibility carrying an M&P Shield than a Glock. That's all I'm trying to say here.

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They definitely don't have the super small pocket gun market cornered...

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That's completely different IMO. I don't consider my Kahr CM9 a "pocket gun" even though some may. I consider pocket guns to be the 380 "mouse guns." My dad's Kahr 380 is the best one out.

I don't think we'll see Glock making a 380 anytime soon, even if they have in the past.

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It's also the same size as other small frame glocks so I don't know why anyone would buy it over a 9 or 40

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I think any full-frame or small-frame 380 is worthless. You get the exact same capacity as 9mm but in a weaker cartridge. This is my main beef with the PPK. Well that, and the fact that it has a metal frame.

I think the ideal 380 is one for the pocket. Anything bigger and 9 and 40 step into the picture. I completely agree.

bapple, where is a good place online to compare ballistics for 185gr JHP's? I have kind of settled on the Critical Defense rounds, but can't find any right now. Trying to see what else is out there, but all I can find is a comparison of muzzle energy and muzzle velocity.

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The point I was trying to make is that they have trouble keeping up with demands for the market they do have largely cornered. Therefore it makes it hard for them to want to venture out any.

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That's a good point. OTOH, I'll point out that since Obama's first election for President, the gun makers have ALL been pushing hard on the production line, especially handgun manufacturers. Nevertheless, they've managed to come out w/ a number of new and innovative products. Heck, look at all the new single stack small 9mms that have come out during this time period. The ones that come to my mind are: Ruger LC9, Kahr CW9, S&W Shield, SA XDs 9, Beretta Nano, Taurus Slim, Walther pps (?) and Kimber Solo. That's pretty much every major maker EXCEPT Glock. Glock has the resources to develop a single stack 9 and open up a whole market.....iif they want to. They just don't want too. They've been very content to maintain their lion's share of the law enforcement/military market w/o having to develop a new product line. From a business standpoint it's not a bad model. It's just an unfortunate model for a lot of those who cc.

I may have the option to trade a 9mm Shield for a XDs. Would the OB trade?

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grip safety

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love them

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