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re: Semi-auto shotguns: Gas vs Inertia
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:43 pm to Bama and Beer
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:43 pm to Bama and Beer
For bird hunting, I use a side by side double barrel. It's simpler, and it forces you to focus on selecting your shots. You find yourself becoming a better shooter instead of just going boom, boom, boom.
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:21 am to damnedoldtigah
Yeah, instead you just go boom, boom.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 1:05 pm to poochie
I prefer inertia simply because I cut my teeth on old A5’s ( I am aware that they are technically recoil operated) and they simply worked. While they still required attention , they were way more reliable than the 1100’s my friends and family shot.
I am looking to buy a new 12 gauge auto soon and the choices are down to the new model A5 or SBE 3.
***side note*** As one poster pointed out, based on feel alone, give me an inertia gun because of the slimmer forend.
I am looking to buy a new 12 gauge auto soon and the choices are down to the new model A5 or SBE 3.
***side note*** As one poster pointed out, based on feel alone, give me an inertia gun because of the slimmer forend.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:27 am to Donkeypunch
bumping for Monday krewe...
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:52 am to poochie
Just make sure you don't accidentally pull both triggers on your O/U at the same time. Two 3" together knocked my arse backwards!
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:14 am to Duckhammer_77
I have both. Inertia gets the nod more often just based on feel. I don't find one needs cleaning anymore than the other. I don't notice the recoil difference either.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:29 pm to ducksnbass
Have owned a few Beretta gas autos, and bought first Benelli (M2) three seasons ago. Do like the reduced recoil of the gas guns, yes, you can tell. But for hunting day in and day out, I like the simplicity of the inertia. Have an A400 that's been shelved since the M2 came home, would consider selling it if someone came with an offer. Nothing wrong with it at all, I just prefer the inertia for duck hunting.
Still shoot my old AL390 beretta for all clay shoots though, sweet arse gun.
Still shoot my old AL390 beretta for all clay shoots though, sweet arse gun.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:51 pm to poochie
Not sure who is saying that an inertia doesn't need cleaning cause it don't jam, but they are wrong. Take it from someone who shoots over 4 cases a year dove, duck, rabbit, and marshen hunting, gas or inertia will need to be cleaned sooner or later. i have shot a belgian sweet sixteen, 1100, 11-87, sbe2, and performance shop super sport over the last 25 years. Only one I never had to clean was the sweet sixteen, but I didn't use that one as hard.
Now as to the main question. I prefer the inertia cause they are lighter. I just can't go back to the 1100 11-87 now that I am used to the benellis. Recoil is more but the comfort tech makes it not noticeable, well unless you shooting 3.5 inch shells then screw that lol
Now as to the main question. I prefer the inertia cause they are lighter. I just can't go back to the 1100 11-87 now that I am used to the benellis. Recoil is more but the comfort tech makes it not noticeable, well unless you shooting 3.5 inch shells then screw that lol
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:00 pm to Islandcat
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Now as to the main question. I prefer the inertia cause they are lighter.
Not always, A400 weighs less than a SBE3. Remington's shotguns tend to be heavier but amongst modern semi-autos it's pretty close across the board. It'll come down to how the shotgun shoulders and swings for a particular person more than anything else.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:17 pm to Clames
Correction. It is lighter compared to the gas guns I have hunted with lol. Freaking 1100 feels like it weighs 20 pounds compared to my benellis lol
Posted on 12/5/17 at 7:32 am to Clames
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Not always, A400 weighs less than a SBE3.
Sure doesn't. Published weights are as follows:
A400 Xtreme - 7 lbs 11 oz (or 7.7 lbs)
Benelli SBE II 7.3 lbs
Benelli SBE III 7.0 lbs
*All assume 28" barrels
Benelli M2 (3 inch gun) 5.9 lbs
Had heard this comparison before and didn't understand it entirely until I put some time in with my M2..."the beretta's are like swinging a 2X4 compared to the Benelli's"
As a long time Beretta fan, I was just used to the long fore end and the bulk, but when you try other guns, you realize how bulky and cumbersome they are comparatively. Also with inertia, you don't have all the moving parts in the fore end, just the grip itself which is featherlight.
All great guns, still will come down to what you prefer and what fits.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 7:33 am
Posted on 12/5/17 at 9:40 am to Tigah D
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Sure doesn't. Published weights are as follows:
A400 Xtreme - 7 lbs 11 oz (or 7.7 lbs)
Benelli SBE II 7.3 lbs
Benelli SBE III 7.0 lbs
*All assume 28" barrels
Non-Xtreme A400 (which is what I own and specified) is over a pound lighter than the Xtreme. That would make it lighter than the SBE3 and by a considerable margin. If you imagine swinging that A400 is like a 2x4 compared to any SBE then I suggest you go to your nearest hardware center and pick up a real 2x4 for the first time in your life.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:22 am to Clames
10-4; assumed the A400 Xtreme since it's the direct competitor to the others, not the non-Xtreme model, which would be more of a sporting model, similar to benelli's cordoba, montefeltro, etc.
As an example of how it's not apples to apples, direct from beretta's website, the gun features "A shortened receiver (3 inches instead of 3 1/2-inches) decreases overall gun length and enhances balance", and undoubtedly reduces weight, just as the M2 is lighter than the SBE's. In both brands they're much lighter and more streamlined than those geared toward purely waterfowl hunting.
I standby the bulky, and heavier, assessment on the A400 Xtreme compared to the direct competitor models in Benelli SBE 2 & 3.
As an example of how it's not apples to apples, direct from beretta's website, the gun features "A shortened receiver (3 inches instead of 3 1/2-inches) decreases overall gun length and enhances balance", and undoubtedly reduces weight, just as the M2 is lighter than the SBE's. In both brands they're much lighter and more streamlined than those geared toward purely waterfowl hunting.
I standby the bulky, and heavier, assessment on the A400 Xtreme compared to the direct competitor models in Benelli SBE 2 & 3.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:53 am to PapaPogey
quote:For hunting applications, what you posted might make sense. But some people also use the same shotgun for shooting skeet, trap and sporting clays. If you're shooting 100-200 rounds/day, 4-5 times a month, that extra reduction in recoil makes a difference (to me).
Yeah I don’t really get the softer shooting argument. If you’re a grown arse man it doesn’t make that big of a difference. I do agree that has guns cycle lighter loads with more consistency.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:59 am to dawg23
All I've ever owned were pumps, so I never understand the recoil discussion.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:35 am to poochie
Pretty much what’s been covered: in theory, an inertia will take less maintence andrun for longer periods without cleaning. A gas will cycle lighter loads better and have less recoil. However, both designs have gotten better at making up their negatives to be better in line with the other style that you won’t notice much of a difference.
I have a SBE II that cycles light dove kids just fine and have spent a lot of time behind my boss’s A400 and it has been run for long periods between cleanings. Just see which actual gun fits you better and go with that. I prefer the Benelli because of its thinner front end which feels easier to swing, but the beretta, Remington, whatever has gun you look at will likely be a nice gun too.
I have a SBE II that cycles light dove kids just fine and have spent a lot of time behind my boss’s A400 and it has been run for long periods between cleanings. Just see which actual gun fits you better and go with that. I prefer the Benelli because of its thinner front end which feels easier to swing, but the beretta, Remington, whatever has gun you look at will likely be a nice gun too.
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