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Second Thinning questions - Where's Hammertime?
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:13 pm
Two foresters went to my woods said it's ready to thin, but not an urgent need, and that they use "operator select" method. It's a 20 yo loblolly stand, thinned 6 years ago, 40 acres.
Is it generally better to thin when it's first ready or wait until it's crowded? (The prior loggers left a lot of forked trees.)
Is operator select the usual practice on a 2nd, or is marking trees better.
Is a buck a ton the normal forester pay rate for this kind of thing?
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Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:15 pm to dat yat
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Is operator select the usual practice on a 2nd, or is marking trees better.
Depends on the operator. Sometimes they know more than the forester.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:16 pm to dat yat
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Where's Hammertime?
Probably yackin
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:30 pm to dat yat
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Where's Hammertime
I think he's banned. I may be wrong though, dont quote me. I dont know anything about thinning trees.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:33 pm to JAB528
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Probably yackin
Hes definately out paddling around somewhere right now.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:34 pm to Polar Pop
He hasn't posted since 5/14.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:35 pm to 4X4DEMON
He's banned.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:40 pm to El Josey Wales
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He's banned
I never heard what he did, do you know?
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:42 pm to 4X4DEMON
Racist comment
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:45 pm to JAB528
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Racist comment
usually gets the best of us
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:57 pm to JAB528
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Racist comment
I wish they would leave up the comments that got people banned. It would be a good example of what not to do, and we could get a good laugh.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 1:02 pm to dat yat
They offered you $1/ton for second thin wood? That's highway robbery.
Operator select is the normal operation on a second thin.
A second thinning should be done when the canopy closes up and is done to reduce competition. It should done from below, meaning that crooks, forks, damaged, diseased, and suppressed trees should be targeted, leaving the best trees.
You also need to decide what type of product you're trying to grow. Traditionally sawlogs were what everyone wanted. That is still the case in most situations, but local and spike markets can and should influence management descisions.
As with any thinning the operator will make or break you. It's extremely important to go with one that has a proven tract record doing thinnings. If they high grade your stand or remove too much volume it could cost you thousands of dollars in future revenue.
Operator select is the normal operation on a second thin.
A second thinning should be done when the canopy closes up and is done to reduce competition. It should done from below, meaning that crooks, forks, damaged, diseased, and suppressed trees should be targeted, leaving the best trees.
You also need to decide what type of product you're trying to grow. Traditionally sawlogs were what everyone wanted. That is still the case in most situations, but local and spike markets can and should influence management descisions.
As with any thinning the operator will make or break you. It's extremely important to go with one that has a proven tract record doing thinnings. If they high grade your stand or remove too much volume it could cost you thousands of dollars in future revenue.
This post was edited on 8/1/13 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 8/1/13 at 1:59 pm to Palo Gaucho
Come on man, stumpage is $10-12 for pulp and $14-15 for cns. A buck a ton is what the forrester wants to be paid to manage it all. What's typical?
Thanks for the other info, we're hoping for sawlogs and poles in the next decade or so.
Thanks for the other info, we're hoping for sawlogs and poles in the next decade or so.
This post was edited on 8/1/13 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/1/13 at 2:13 pm to dat yat
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A buck a ton is what the forrester wants to be paid to manage it all
Gotcha, I misunderstood. I thought you were dealing with a pinhooker. That's probably fair compensation for the forester, though most consultants that I've dealt with have a percentage based fee based. Something along the lines of 10% for thinnings/marked sales. 5% for clear cuts.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 2:16 pm to dat yat
Those prices seem in line for what I've seen lately for summer logging. If your property is on ground conducive to winter time logging, it would likely be in your best interest to hold off until it gets wet.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 2:40 pm to Palo Gaucho
quote:nail meet head. excellent post palo
A second thinning should be done when the canopy closes up and is done to reduce competition. It should done from below, meaning that crooks, forks, damaged, diseased, and suppressed trees should be targeted, leaving the best trees.
You also need to decide what type of product you're trying to grow. Traditionally sawlogs were what everyone wanted. That is still the case in most situations, but local and spike markets can and should influence management descisions.
As with any thinning the operator will make or break you. It's extremely important to go with one that has a proven tract record doing thinnings. If they high grade your stand or remove too much volume it could cost you thousands of dollars in future revenue.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 2:43 pm to Palo Gaucho
Where are you located?
I would try and find a logger who buys their own timber or a dealer or company who has loggers working for them and save the $1.00/ton. I wouldn't let anyone cut a tree on me without references and seeing some of their work. If it's not in dire need of thinning I may wait another year or two. Prices should go up a little by then and it will not hurt a thing in growth. Actually, if you are managing for poles/pylons that is the way to go. You want to let it grow a little longer without thinning so the trees will grow tall and straight.
I would try and find a logger who buys their own timber or a dealer or company who has loggers working for them and save the $1.00/ton. I wouldn't let anyone cut a tree on me without references and seeing some of their work. If it's not in dire need of thinning I may wait another year or two. Prices should go up a little by then and it will not hurt a thing in growth. Actually, if you are managing for poles/pylons that is the way to go. You want to let it grow a little longer without thinning so the trees will grow tall and straight.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 2:45 pm to Palo Gaucho
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If your property is on ground conducive to winter time logging, it would likely be in your best interest to hold off until it gets wet.
This
Posted on 8/1/13 at 2:47 pm to Flair Chops
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Green Trout
Posted on 8/1/13 at 3:00 pm to Palo Gaucho
I'm in sandy hills that never get wet. You sayin there may be a premium in winter or spring flooding?
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