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Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by Bagger Joe
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 3:49 pm to
Same one I have and that’s a good price! Have you ever tried it without the pins?
Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 4:03 pm to
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Now I'm looking at a wet tumbler so there goes another $300.


Unless you are trying to do a bunch. Just get a harbor freight tumbler. They are $60 and will fit at least 200 pieces of rifle brass, so more pistol brass.

LINK
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:01 pm to
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Same one I have and that’s a good price! Have you ever tried it without the pins?


I haven’t. I will normally throw the brass, pins, water, and just a little bit of solution in there and let it run for only an hour.

I have a hornady separator that I really like.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 7:13 pm
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 9:31 pm to
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Another great PSA would be to let everyone know when one of these places has a haz-mat fee waiver special

AMEN!
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:12 pm to
What in the hell? I throw my brass in some old Tupper wear containers filled with saw dust and car wax. Set it on top the refrigerator to agitate and the next day they're good as new.

This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 3:04 pm
Posted by Duckhammer_77
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 11:06 pm to
open question for the thread: Same powder, 180 gr bullet

Berger lists Elite Hunters @ 85.1 gr powder getting 3166 fps
Berger G1 BC = 0.576; COAL = 3.360"

Nosler lists Accubonds @ 84 gr powder getting 3162 fps
Accubond G1 BC = 0.507; COAL = 3.340"

Why are the Accubonds listed @ same speed with a whole grain less of powder? The obvious variables are rifles/chambers and seating depth. Would you get more speed out of the Berger if I load them closer to the rifling (3.557")? Not that I am, just curious.
Posted by bbvdd
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 11:19 pm to
Barrel length comes into play but most all powder companies use 26” barrels. Barrel twist will effect it as well.

Outside conditions also come into play. It it’s 80 degrees outside, the bullet will travel at a different speed vs 40 degrees.

The COAL on those is slightly different which you addressed.

But most of those numbers are a reasonable average and I’ve been able to get somewhat close but not always.

I haven’t been able to get my grendel reloads up to factory speeds but I haven’t gotten that far with it. Just have to find the right combination of powder, butler and seating depth.

And one other thing. Typically Bergers like to be seated into the lands.
There is a step by step process on their website to get the correct seating depth.
Posted by Duckhammer_77
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:02 am to
I read that article on their website. The base-to-ogive at the lands on my Christensen is 3.557. The berger load data has COAL at 3.360 with a link to that article saying "optimal performance may be achieved in your rifle with a different COAL." guess I need to stretch it out some and see what happens
Posted by Grebe
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 6:09 am to
Here is an online manual that includes a basic how-to section and a section on loading for competitions:

LINK

Western's online manual is also a good one. They sell a range of powders, and list a good selection of bullet weights and types for each.

LINK
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 6:11 am
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:02 am to
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guess I need to stretch it out some and see what happens



100yds will tell you may more than you think but a chronograph comes in real hand when doing so.

When you get that seating depth correct with the proper load, you’ll be getting low single digit S/D’s and small E/S’s. And if you’re doing your job right, you’ll have a 5 shot group that’s a single ragged hole.

ETA: this is where a labradar shines as a magnetospeed can cause a slight POI shift.
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 8:06 am
Posted by Gaspasr1
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:49 am to
Nosler and Hornandy is what I use
Posted by Duckhammer_77
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:19 am to
Got that labradar, it pretty cool
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:07 pm to
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Unless you are trying to do a bunch. Just get a harbor freight tumbler.


Read a good bit on them and the HF one doesn't hold enough for me to mess with. I just ordered the Frankford arsenal tumbler. I started out with the sonic cleaner then went to the vibratory tumbler and now the wet tumbler.
Posted by kengel2
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:13 pm to
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Read a good bit on them and the HF one doesn't hold enough for me to mess with. I just ordered the Frankford arsenal tumbler. I started out with the sonic cleaner then went to the vibratory tumbler and now the wet tumbler.




Ya, it holds right at 200 260/6.5 creed cases. Could probably get more, but thats all I really have time to fool with anyway. My reloading is a multinight process with pretty much one step a night.
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:16 pm to
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multinight process with pretty much one step a night.


Thought it was just me
Posted by Bagger Joe
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
853 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 4:06 pm to
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Here is an online manual that includes a basic how-to section and a section on loading for competitions:


LINK

On page 147 of this manual, it gives a description of NRA Action Pistol shooting. This is my game. This manual was written in 1998 and since that time more than 90% (probably closer to 95%) of the guns that shoot this match are semi-autos with the most being 9mm in the Production and Metallic Divisions and 38 Super in the Open Division. I shoot 9mm in the Open Division and reload a 115gr bullet that goes about 1250fps. It combines speed with accuracy. I've been going to the Bianchi Cup for a few years now and am already registered for this year.


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