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re: Redfish numbers
Posted on 10/3/25 at 11:33 am to Elusiveporpi
Posted on 10/3/25 at 11:33 am to Elusiveporpi
If what your coworkers told you is true then you should call green jeans and report the charter they used. I am not a charter but we enjoy bowfishing and probably go more than your average recreational boat, we have shot one over slot by 3/4” and I kept it…that’s a chance I’ll have to take until/if ever they start selling us bull red tags
I don’t have statistics or even know how you would get the statistics but far as the number of redfish taken by bow vs rod/reel every year I would guess it’s not even close. Maybe 25% would be taken by bowfishing. Think of the number statewide of bowfishing charters and serious recreational bowfishing, I would consider us pretty serious and go probably 12-15 times a year and we and shoot our limit (3-4 people) about half those trips. Now compare that to the number of rod/reel charters and recreational fishermen…most charters post a picture of wheelbarrows full of fish after successful trips
I don’t have statistics or even know how you would get the statistics but far as the number of redfish taken by bow vs rod/reel every year I would guess it’s not even close. Maybe 25% would be taken by bowfishing. Think of the number statewide of bowfishing charters and serious recreational bowfishing, I would consider us pretty serious and go probably 12-15 times a year and we and shoot our limit (3-4 people) about half those trips. Now compare that to the number of rod/reel charters and recreational fishermen…most charters post a picture of wheelbarrows full of fish after successful trips
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Posted on 10/3/25 at 11:57 am to Dulacrat
There are 3 big reasons why both redfish and trout populations are down:
1) Lack of forage (pogey boats)
2) lack of habitat (high average river flow last decade)
3) fishing pressure
Nothing can be done about the river, it flows what it flows. Some years will be completely inundated by cold river water, but over long run that flooding adds marsh and helps the populations of these fish.
However the other two issues absolutely can be addressed. The fishing pressure issue has been addressed two years ago by lowering limits and preventing harvest of breeding bull reds. This will take a few years to realize into population gains, I hope people are patient.
The biggest issue IMO is the removal of 1.2 billion lbs of forage from the water (pogies) every year. For comparison the shrimp industry lands only 65 to 70 million lbs of shrimp every year in LA. The pogey boats are absolutely raping the coastline, taking every pogey they can capture in an area, then moving down the coast to rape the next spot, and so on. There are bycatch concerns sure, but the removal of these big pogey schools in summer is devastating. The breeding bull reds and large breeding trout are in nearshore waters feeding on these nutritious and critical pogey schools from May to October. Shrimp and other forage are not a major component of diet for these breeding populations at this time, its almost all pogey.
I heard that this week the WLF Commission is going to request LDWF loosen the 1/2 mile buffer restriction on the pogey boats in November. We cannot allow this to happen. If you havent called your rep or senator yet please do so. This is a really big deal and most of the politicians are only hearing from the pro-pogey boat lobby in BR. I called both of my reps and they had no idea about most of this stuff.
1) Lack of forage (pogey boats)
2) lack of habitat (high average river flow last decade)
3) fishing pressure
Nothing can be done about the river, it flows what it flows. Some years will be completely inundated by cold river water, but over long run that flooding adds marsh and helps the populations of these fish.
However the other two issues absolutely can be addressed. The fishing pressure issue has been addressed two years ago by lowering limits and preventing harvest of breeding bull reds. This will take a few years to realize into population gains, I hope people are patient.
The biggest issue IMO is the removal of 1.2 billion lbs of forage from the water (pogies) every year. For comparison the shrimp industry lands only 65 to 70 million lbs of shrimp every year in LA. The pogey boats are absolutely raping the coastline, taking every pogey they can capture in an area, then moving down the coast to rape the next spot, and so on. There are bycatch concerns sure, but the removal of these big pogey schools in summer is devastating. The breeding bull reds and large breeding trout are in nearshore waters feeding on these nutritious and critical pogey schools from May to October. Shrimp and other forage are not a major component of diet for these breeding populations at this time, its almost all pogey.
I heard that this week the WLF Commission is going to request LDWF loosen the 1/2 mile buffer restriction on the pogey boats in November. We cannot allow this to happen. If you havent called your rep or senator yet please do so. This is a really big deal and most of the politicians are only hearing from the pro-pogey boat lobby in BR. I called both of my reps and they had no idea about most of this stuff.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 12:28 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Everything is on the decline except sharks, gators, invasives, and corrupt politicians.
And pogy boats.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 12:48 pm to Taxman2010
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Pogey boats and global warming have had a substantial impact on the population
you left out the biggest factor
over 100 years of constantly declining habitat.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 1:00 pm to choupiquesushi
Please join me in messaging the Chairman of the Louisiana Wildlife Commission, to voice your concerns about lax regulations for Pogey Harvesting and/or Bowfishing. Here is a link, but you can also message other members of the Commission and the Governor:
[link=]LINK[/link]LINK
I have seen the power of Louisiana Sportsmen uniting to address threats to our fisheries (i.e. gill-netting, etc.), and we have to start somewhere. Let's also start pressuring CCA to join a grass roots effort in this regard. Thanks!
[link=]LINK[/link]LINK
I have seen the power of Louisiana Sportsmen uniting to address threats to our fisheries (i.e. gill-netting, etc.), and we have to start somewhere. Let's also start pressuring CCA to join a grass roots effort in this regard. Thanks!
Posted on 10/3/25 at 2:36 pm to Dulacrat
habitat degradation is a bigger threat.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 5:47 pm to Speckhunter2012
Estuary habitat declines means fewer specks, reds, flounders etc.
LA was blessed with the most marsh on the Gulf Coast, it's why we have the best fishing. Erosion, subsidence, saltwater intrusion, sea level rise all contribute to the decline of the marsh. We have known this a very long time.
Inshore shrimping kills the shite out of finfish, probably more than the pogey boats.
A wise man told me at my first plant job, "Don't kid yourself, people will destroy anything for money."
LA was blessed with the most marsh on the Gulf Coast, it's why we have the best fishing. Erosion, subsidence, saltwater intrusion, sea level rise all contribute to the decline of the marsh. We have known this a very long time.
Inshore shrimping kills the shite out of finfish, probably more than the pogey boats.
A wise man told me at my first plant job, "Don't kid yourself, people will destroy anything for money."
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:26 pm to Elusiveporpi
Yeah, I fish Cocodrie and occasionally the Point, but don’t target redfish with little sidecatch from trout fishing that are usually bulls.
I’ve seen the pogey boats and I’ve done a few bow trips and know some of the guides
I think that’s your answer
I’ve seen the pogey boats and I’ve done a few bow trips and know some of the guides
I think that’s your answer
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:22 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Best post i have read and laughed at in many years. Good one
Posted on 10/4/25 at 1:27 pm to TigerBlood17
Just out of curiosity, why would yo fish CP when you can fish Cocadrie?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 4:40 pm to Dulacrat
Was in Big Lake today and Reds were everywhere. Limited out very quickly, however I really was there for Flounder. Only caught one.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 5:12 pm to Dulacrat
Captain Herk posted that there is a hearing November 6 at WLF to lift the buffer, which puzzles (and angers) me because I thought that modest buffer was what had been negotiated in the legislature last year. Problem is, our esteemed Governor, Fat Billy, and a couple of loud legislators (Pat Connick) are all on the payroll of Daybrook and Omega.
Removal of all this biomass is why we are having dolphin taking our trout and sharks eating every snapper we hook. All their usual forage has been wiped out by the foreign fleet that every other state has severely restricted or outright banned.
See y’all on Quail Drive at 9:30 November 6.
Removal of all this biomass is why we are having dolphin taking our trout and sharks eating every snapper we hook. All their usual forage has been wiped out by the foreign fleet that every other state has severely restricted or outright banned.
See y’all on Quail Drive at 9:30 November 6.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:15 pm to Icansee4miles
How about OB meet up on 11/6 in BTR? 
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:39 pm to ecb
quote:Is like a paper cut when the other factors are liver cancer, brain cancer and lou gherigs...
sea level rise all contribute
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:47 pm to Royalfishing
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Just out of curiosity, why would yo fish CP when you can fish Cocadrie?
CP is 50 minutes from the house. Cocodrie is 2.5 hours.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 8:57 pm to WizardSleeve
Pogey boat have been doing their thing for at least have a century. What’s different recently that is resulting in sudden redfish decline?
Posted on 10/6/25 at 9:11 pm to Hobie101
The thing that everyone calls me an idiot for bringing up. Regardless of what you want to call it, or why it is happening, the climate is changing. This affects the habitat and the redfish population. Same reason Louisiana duck hunting is not what it used to be, climate change that affects the habitat and the birds migration.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:18 pm to Taxman2010
Those flyway federation fools would tell you it’s because of heaters and flooded corn
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:51 pm to Dulacrat
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I have seen the power of Louisiana Sportsmen uniting to address threats to our fisheries (i.e. gill-netting, etc.), and we have to start somewhere. Let's also start pressuring CCA to join a grass roots effort in this regard. Thanks!
You must not know but sportsman and the CCA have been involved in this fight already.
We keep getting screwed by our politicians...period.
Funny how an industry that barely employs 700 people in the state is capable of raping the rest of us isn't it?
Posted on 10/7/25 at 8:33 am to Taxman2010
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Regardless of what you want to call it, or why it is happening, the climate is changing
Definitely real. Interesting thing about temperature is that it can be easily measured. Average yearly temps are going up. The entire planet agrees, accept for roughly half of the US.
Loss of habitat (because of many different reasons) surely contributing to redfish decline.
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