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re: Questions about Florida's growing python population problem.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:19 am to BFIV
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:19 am to BFIV
I hope them things stay in south florida but I doubt they will....
Alligators were rare in the Augusta area about 15 years ago. Not unheard of but rare enough to take note of. The area is lousy with them today. South of I-20 they are so common that most people do not even notice them any longer.
In 2012 or so there was a pretty good snook fishery in Jacksonville and catching snook was not unheard in Brunswick and even Savannah or South Carolina. This has since changed back to the traditional range which is about Cape Canaveral but snook definitely started extending their range in larger numbers around 2012 or so. Snook have been caught in Maryland but their numbers were high enough around 2012 or so that they were common in Jacksonville....
Alligators were rare in the Augusta area about 15 years ago. Not unheard of but rare enough to take note of. The area is lousy with them today. South of I-20 they are so common that most people do not even notice them any longer.
In 2012 or so there was a pretty good snook fishery in Jacksonville and catching snook was not unheard in Brunswick and even Savannah or South Carolina. This has since changed back to the traditional range which is about Cape Canaveral but snook definitely started extending their range in larger numbers around 2012 or so. Snook have been caught in Maryland but their numbers were high enough around 2012 or so that they were common in Jacksonville....
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:29 am to BFIV
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How far north will they probably expand?
Not far from where they are now
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Are Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana invasions likely?
No it's too cold
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When these pythons have essentially wiped out their food sources, will they die off?
No; food will never be a problem in the 'Glades
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Why doesn't Florida just declare open season on these pythons wherever they are found?
We sorta did and paying people to kill 'em
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:34 am to BFIV
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Why doesn't Florida just declare open season on these pythons wherever they are found?
Several pics of the diverse habitat within the Everglades. That area is so expanse most pythons have never been encountered by humans.
Some areas of land/swamp have no bottom as you would sink trying to walk on the vegetation. Mosquitos have got to be brutal !
Navigating by water is fine, would you go hiking through the marsh trying to catch/dispatch pythons ?
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:47 am to Lonnie Utah
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Just because you don't like the politics of an organization, doesn't make something untrue.
If you don't trust an organization, you assume everything they say is bulls***. We were supposed to be underwater or something now accordign to Al Gore and Greta Thurnburg.
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I assumed everyone here could read.
When you put up a giant map, then assume everybody is going to click through and read the fine print... instead you come off as a self-important BS artist.
We can all read just fine, but a giant colorful map and some hidden fine print is pretty close to the definition of misleading.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 8:50 am
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:50 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:Come on man.
based on global warming models
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:03 am to AlxTgr
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Come on man.
Yeah, I think it is time to take my lumps on this one.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:07 am to Got Blaze
I spend a week in the Glades fishing every year and have never even seen one.
Or any other snake for that matter now that I think about it.
Or any other snake for that matter now that I think about it.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:22 am to SloaneRanger
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Shooting them won’t move the needle with them either. Has it worked with wild hogs and coyotes?
Maybe not, but shooting them surely would remove more of them than attempting to capture them, wouldn't it?
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:40 am to bamarep
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I spend a week in the Glades fishing every year and have never even seen one.
Or any other snake for that matter now that I think about it.
When I was in grad school the Biogeography class took a field trip to the Everglades over the Christmas break. As part of that trip we hiked out to a small pond with one of the Park Rangers. (It really was just a limestone sinkhole filled with water and if I would have been in North or South Carolina, I would have called it a Carolina Bay.)
Anyway we had to bushwhack the 1/2 mile or so hike out to the pond as it was not on a maintained trail. As we did, we all had to step over a small cypress tree that had been blown down in a storm. Before he died, my granddaddy taught me, "Never step over a tree in the woods. Always step on top of it and then step down. If there's a snake on the other side, you don't want to get bit by stepping on him..." Well, I was bringing up the rear and stepped on top of the tree as was habit. About that time, I saw him. A small cottonmouth about 1.5-2' long. I spoke up, "Hey, here's a snake!"
So the ranger came over and we oohed and awed over it for a few mins. Literally the whole group of close to 30 people (1/2 of them in sandals) had walked within a foot of this snake and nobody but 1 or 2 of us at the end had seen it. Still gives me chills to think about it today...
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:38 am to Lonnie Utah
I took my kid to the northern glades last week to turkey hunt. We camped out. You can't imagine the vastness of the swamp. From Naples to Lauderdale, roughly 80 of I 75 is absolute nothing. And everything south of there to the gulf. We saw lots of snakes, mostly racers and a few moccasins. He really wanted to see a python, we looked relentlessly but only found one drag where one crossed the road. It was a huge snake. I didn't notice any shortage of animals that they were eating (ie saw lots of rabbits and deer). maybe they eat raccoons. I never saw a coon track.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:06 am to bamarep
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I spend a week in the Glades fishing every year and have never even seen one.
Or any other snake for that matter now that I think about it.
You've never seen a snake down there?! Crazy.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 12:16 pm to BFIV
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cotton mouths are found as far north as Virginia Beach
And european vipers are found in the far reaches of northern europe, but that doesn't have anything to do with burmese pythons.
Burmese pythons won't move north of southern florida for the same reason they don't move north of southern asia - they can't live there.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 12:30 pm to Lonnie Utah
Dang, I'm in a "yes" region.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:03 pm to BFIV
That map is dumb. You aren't in a "yes" region.
But its a big problem for south Florida. Many biologists believe that there has been around a 90% reduction in fur-bearing species in the everglades due to invasive pythons. They are almost impossible to eradicate at this point.
But its a big problem for south Florida. Many biologists believe that there has been around a 90% reduction in fur-bearing species in the everglades due to invasive pythons. They are almost impossible to eradicate at this point.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:13 pm to BFIV
I have a guy that can make 3500 a day sometimes with them. He just had a check up and we talked about this for a while.
He's had 2 days to get a new engine on his air boat and was heading down after this cold snap.
The dead ones get him. State-contracted python hunters make $13 an hour plus $50 for the first four feet of snake they catch. Each extra foot is another $25.
Said he averages about $200 dead.
If they are alive however he gets more money because they buy the meat as well and he can get $450 to $500
He had some good stories about one 8-9ft wrapping up his partner.
Was just under 100K last year for 3-4 months of work.
Said that night is pretty easy cause you can see the grass move to get them. Day time is ok when they are sunning.
He's had 2 days to get a new engine on his air boat and was heading down after this cold snap.
The dead ones get him. State-contracted python hunters make $13 an hour plus $50 for the first four feet of snake they catch. Each extra foot is another $25.
Said he averages about $200 dead.
If they are alive however he gets more money because they buy the meat as well and he can get $450 to $500
He had some good stories about one 8-9ft wrapping up his partner.
Was just under 100K last year for 3-4 months of work.
Said that night is pretty easy cause you can see the grass move to get them. Day time is ok when they are sunning.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:20 pm to Tupelo
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Maybe not, but shooting them surely would remove more of them than attempting to capture them, wouldn't it?
I was alluding to this when I suggested just shooting them on sight.
Quote: "No; food will never be a problem in the 'Glades" and "But its a pretty big problem for south Florida. Many biologists believe that there has been around a 90% reduction in fur-bearing species in the everglades due to invasive pythons."
Which is correct? Original article suggests that the latter statement is correct?
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:22 pm to BFIV
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just shooting them on sight.
Shooting in the Everglades NP is frowned upon.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:39 pm to Itismemc
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Said that night is pretty easy cause you can see the grass move to get them. Day time is ok when they are sunning.
The tv shows I've see with the python hunters, night time is the right time. Would also explain why lots of people in the area don't see them often or at all.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:41 pm to BFIV
My cousin is a biologist on the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission, and him and his colleagues think that its a big problem. He was in the everglades a couple of weeks ago with his team doing some research on them, and other invasive and non-invasive species.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:00 pm to CamdenTiger
quote:Sounds yummy.
Yeah, those Pythons want no part of Cajuns…that’s how Roux’s get started
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