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re: Personal / Home Defense gun
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:28 pm to lilyankems
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:28 pm to lilyankems
You guys are slacking (or reforming)...no mention of the Judge yet!
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Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:36 pm to lilyankems
Def a shotgun , just racking that motherfricker (kinda like Samuel L Jackson wanted Chris Tucker to do at them Ko-reans in Jackie Brown) will send chills down intruders spines.
Plus, they dont penetrate thru walls, limiting collateral damage. Shotgun pellets are notorious for getting hung up in the sheetrock. Also, like previously stated, you don't have to aim a shotgun, just point in the general direction and you can hit two or three home invaders in one blast. And the one intruder left after the first blast will def bug out after that second rack, b/c he obviously didn't hear the first rack
Plus, they dont penetrate thru walls, limiting collateral damage. Shotgun pellets are notorious for getting hung up in the sheetrock. Also, like previously stated, you don't have to aim a shotgun, just point in the general direction and you can hit two or three home invaders in one blast. And the one intruder left after the first blast will def bug out after that second rack, b/c he obviously didn't hear the first rack
This post was edited on 12/30/12 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:48 pm to CoastieGM
This gonna be good.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:51 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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Chicago Tools
High dollar operation right thar
Posted on 12/30/12 at 1:40 pm to lilyankems
Find an old Police trade in 870.
Used to find them for $300-400 but I haven't seen any recently.
Used to find them for $300-400 but I haven't seen any recently.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:04 pm to TBoy
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Shotgun is the best home defense gun.
True
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Just the sound that it makes when you pump the action will send chills up any would-be invader and would likely be the only thing you would have to do.
Possibly true, if you assume that intruder is an emotionally well-balanced, non-psychotic, non-drug using gentleman who possesses average intelligence and is knowledgeable about the sound a pump shotgun makes when the slide is racked.
Most tactical trainers will tell you that the only time an intruder should hear you rack the slide is after you've hit him with the first round of buckshot.
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Despite what the movies show, firing a handgun accurately in a highly stressed situation at anything other than point blank range is very difficult.
This is also true for shotguns. You still have to aim.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 5:23 pm to lilyankems
lilyankems,
Cliff's Notes version:
Since your inexperienced w/ handguns, I'd suggest a full size (4-6" barrel), steel frame, 6 shot (or more) revolver w/ fixed sights chambered in 357 Mag. Start off shooting mild 38 Special rounds, advancing to +P 38 Spec loads when you can handle them. Advance to full 357 Mag loads ONLY once you've mastered the +P 38 Spec loads. If you can't make it to 357 Mag loads, just stay w/ the +P 38 Spec loads, which are still very formidable self defense rounds. A similar sized gun in 38 Special w/ +P rounds is good too if you don't have any interest in the recoil/muzzle blast of the 357 Mag.
If you'd rather have a semi-auto, I'd suggest a full size 9mm from a reputable manufacturer, e.g. S&W (M&P series), Springfield Armory (XD series), Ruger (SR series), Glock, Sig, CZ or Beretta. I prefer DAO or SAO, but you may well prefer SA/DA type. Likewise, I mostly prefer no external safeties, but you may want a safety. If you're experienced and comfortable w/ the platform, a reliable 1911 is appropriate, as well. Try to handle, and shoot, a number of semi-autos before deciding which one to buy. Some of the bigger cities have shooting ranges that will let you rent a handgun and shoot for a period of time.
As already mentioned, for home use, the best self defense weapon is not a handgun, but a shotgun, usually a 12 gauge, but 20 gauge is a good choice, as well. A youth model is a good idea if someone of small stature may use the gun. A pump Mossberg or Remington is not expensive, as long as you don't get a bunch of "tactical" stuff on it.
Full Version:For a self defense gun that is NOT going to be used in concealed carry, you don't want, nor need a compact or subcompact gun; get a full size gun w/ a steel frame. All things being equal, a smaller and lighter gun is generally more difficult to shoot well than is a larger and heavier gun, especially for newbies. Personally, I think revolvers are easier for most newbies to learn w/ than are semi-autos. OTOH, some newbies start out w/ semi-autos w/o any problems. No one can know but you which category you'll fall in to.
The best self defense calibers are 9mm, 357 Mag, 357 Sig, 40 S&W and 45 ACP; the 38 Special also has a good track record, but not like the above.
The semi-auto vs revolver debate always generates a lot of interest. Ruger, Colt, Chiappa and Smith & Wesson are top notch makers of revolvers; other makers that seem to have spotty quality control include Charter Arms, Rossi and Taurus.
Given your inexperience, I recommend some formal training in handgun handling and safety.
Last, if you can swing it, I'd strongly consider buying a 22 LR to learn the basics of handgun handling and to practice w/. If you want a revolver for self defense, make the 22 LR a revolver; if the SD gun is a semi auto, get a semi auto 22 LR.
Good luck. Let us know what you buy and be sure and include PICS. :-)
Cliff's Notes version:
Since your inexperienced w/ handguns, I'd suggest a full size (4-6" barrel), steel frame, 6 shot (or more) revolver w/ fixed sights chambered in 357 Mag. Start off shooting mild 38 Special rounds, advancing to +P 38 Spec loads when you can handle them. Advance to full 357 Mag loads ONLY once you've mastered the +P 38 Spec loads. If you can't make it to 357 Mag loads, just stay w/ the +P 38 Spec loads, which are still very formidable self defense rounds. A similar sized gun in 38 Special w/ +P rounds is good too if you don't have any interest in the recoil/muzzle blast of the 357 Mag.
If you'd rather have a semi-auto, I'd suggest a full size 9mm from a reputable manufacturer, e.g. S&W (M&P series), Springfield Armory (XD series), Ruger (SR series), Glock, Sig, CZ or Beretta. I prefer DAO or SAO, but you may well prefer SA/DA type. Likewise, I mostly prefer no external safeties, but you may want a safety. If you're experienced and comfortable w/ the platform, a reliable 1911 is appropriate, as well. Try to handle, and shoot, a number of semi-autos before deciding which one to buy. Some of the bigger cities have shooting ranges that will let you rent a handgun and shoot for a period of time.
As already mentioned, for home use, the best self defense weapon is not a handgun, but a shotgun, usually a 12 gauge, but 20 gauge is a good choice, as well. A youth model is a good idea if someone of small stature may use the gun. A pump Mossberg or Remington is not expensive, as long as you don't get a bunch of "tactical" stuff on it.
Full Version:For a self defense gun that is NOT going to be used in concealed carry, you don't want, nor need a compact or subcompact gun; get a full size gun w/ a steel frame. All things being equal, a smaller and lighter gun is generally more difficult to shoot well than is a larger and heavier gun, especially for newbies. Personally, I think revolvers are easier for most newbies to learn w/ than are semi-autos. OTOH, some newbies start out w/ semi-autos w/o any problems. No one can know but you which category you'll fall in to.
The best self defense calibers are 9mm, 357 Mag, 357 Sig, 40 S&W and 45 ACP; the 38 Special also has a good track record, but not like the above.
The semi-auto vs revolver debate always generates a lot of interest. Ruger, Colt, Chiappa and Smith & Wesson are top notch makers of revolvers; other makers that seem to have spotty quality control include Charter Arms, Rossi and Taurus.
Given your inexperience, I recommend some formal training in handgun handling and safety.
Last, if you can swing it, I'd strongly consider buying a 22 LR to learn the basics of handgun handling and to practice w/. If you want a revolver for self defense, make the 22 LR a revolver; if the SD gun is a semi auto, get a semi auto 22 LR.
Good luck. Let us know what you buy and be sure and include PICS. :-)
Posted on 12/30/12 at 6:10 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Good youth 20 gauge pump shotgun. Small light and can do the work foot home defense
Posted on 12/30/12 at 9:25 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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Given your inexperience, I recommend some formal training in handgun handling and safety.
Last, if you can swing it, I'd strongly consider buying a 22 LR to learn the basics of handgun handling and to practice w/. If you want a revolver for self defense, make the 22 LR a revolver; if the SD gun is a semi auto, get a semi auto 22 LR.
Excellent advice.
The only thing I would add is ......If you choose a semi-automatic, and if you choose a Glock (which is a very reliable choice), you might consider one of these instead of a separate .22 semi auto. Advantage Arms Conversion Kit
With the AACK, you'll be using the same trigger, same sights, same mag release, etc. for shooting the .22 LR as when you shoot the 9mm or .40 or .45 (depending on the caliber you selected for your Glock). So you're getting reps with the same controls and same sight picture as you'd have if shooting full caliber ammo (only the noise level and the recoil impulse will be less).
The .22 kit is a great way to introduce new shooters (women and kids) to shooting a handgun.
Prices for .22 LR ammo are high (compared to a few years ago). But prices for 9mm, .40 or .45 are much higher than the .22 .......and always will be.
p.s. I have no idea about how good the ACCK kits are for 1911's. But for Glocks, they're the best (I have one of the first kits Steve ever sold, and have bought several since then as gifts). You do have to use quality ammo (40 grain, HV, such as CCI MiniMags), although some folks say they get good results using the Wal-Mart "Value Packs" of Federal.
p.p.s. Whatever you do, don't buy a Ciener conversion kit. A Google search will quickly show you why I say that.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 9:47 pm to TBoy
quote:
Just the sound that it makes when you pump the action will send chills up any would-be invader and would likely be the only thing you would have to do
Negative.......that sound should not be hear by the adversary...
If they have any skill they would shoot at the sound,,,,
Posted on 12/30/12 at 11:38 pm to lilyankems
I'm a fan of a 9mm carbine with a short overall length just a hair less than the average width door in your house (probably 32" doors).
-Easier/Safer for new shooter to handle over a pistol
-Accuracy. Easy to acquire target when scared, especially new shooters
-Quick follow-up shots
-More follow-up shots than a shotgun.
-Virtually no recoil
-Barely any muzzle flash (won't get blinded in low-light situations)
-Minimal sound issues (no concussive effects)...quieter than a 9mm pistol...nothing compared to the "boom" of a shotgun.
-Easy indoor maneuverability if you need to move to check on family/children
-Hits like a .357 mag (due to longer barrel)
-Most hollow point ammo becomes borderline frangible out of carbine barrel...minimal pass-throughs when you hit a BG, i.e. safer.
-Easier/Safer for new shooter to handle over a pistol
-Accuracy. Easy to acquire target when scared, especially new shooters
-Quick follow-up shots
-More follow-up shots than a shotgun.
-Virtually no recoil
-Barely any muzzle flash (won't get blinded in low-light situations)
-Minimal sound issues (no concussive effects)...quieter than a 9mm pistol...nothing compared to the "boom" of a shotgun.
-Easy indoor maneuverability if you need to move to check on family/children
-Hits like a .357 mag (due to longer barrel)
-Most hollow point ammo becomes borderline frangible out of carbine barrel...minimal pass-throughs when you hit a BG, i.e. safer.
Posted on 12/31/12 at 1:49 am to choupiquesushi
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Negative.......that sound should not be hear by the adversary... If they have any skill they would shoot at the sound,,,,
Typical home invader is not a trained assassin, it is a crack head who is hoping no one is home or awake. Be ready to fire but don't make splattering guts all over your house your first priority.
This post was edited on 12/31/12 at 1:52 am
Posted on 12/31/12 at 2:11 am to BarDTiger81
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870 Tactical
This is the correct answer. And if not then get a regular cheapy 870 and cut it off to 19 inches and buy an extended mag for it. Pretty ain't a factor in this equation. Handguns are for convenience, they are never the 'go to' weapon in any situation where you have a long gun available unless you're clearing a fricking spider hole cave network or your name is Miculek. Since it's not. Get a shotgun.
And find #4 buckshot and fill er up and pat yourself on the back for being smarter than the average shooter afterward since you intend to use this inside the house, would like to destroy whoever you are shooting at, and wouldn't like to kill anyone in a room behind them .
This post was edited on 12/31/12 at 2:18 am
Posted on 12/31/12 at 2:13 am to faxis
And the Judge is not a shotgun.
It's a shitty handgun that is inferior to most other normally used handguns.
It's a shitty handgun that is inferior to most other normally used handguns.
Posted on 12/31/12 at 2:50 am to Tino
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Shotgun
this
Posted on 12/31/12 at 6:11 am to faxis
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And find #4 buckshot
my home defense gun is a winchester ranger youth 20ga shotgun. rebuilt it with my dad when i was younger...and its one badass looking shotgun
but i have #3 buckshot it in now.
why is #4 better than #3 in the given 'intruder in yo house' situation?
This post was edited on 12/31/12 at 6:24 am
Posted on 12/31/12 at 6:19 am to GonzoLeslie
Don't believe he means it is any better than 3 just what he chooses, #3 is fine
This post was edited on 12/31/12 at 6:19 am
Posted on 12/31/12 at 6:20 am to BarDTiger81
right on.
im pretty sure i have the first shells all #3 and the last two shells are slugs. you know, for the double tap
im pretty sure i have the first shells all #3 and the last two shells are slugs. you know, for the double tap
Posted on 12/31/12 at 6:21 am to GonzoLeslie
Posted on 12/31/12 at 8:33 am to GonzoLeslie
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last two shells are slugs
quote:
you know, for the double tap
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