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Outrigger (pontoon) for a canoe.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:09 pm
I've been wanting to make my canoe more versatile, and have looked at several options for outriggers. The pre-made ones look good and seem to perform well, but there must be a way to duplicate that myself without spending a lot of money.
Basically, I was looking for something like this.
but, you know, not $450 and made in Australia, which I'm not even sure ships them here.
I feel like I can just get a couple of Hobie pontoons, two aluminum rods and design something effective and good looking. Any ideas where I might go? Old marine dealer scrap yards?
Basically, I was looking for something like this.
but, you know, not $450 and made in Australia, which I'm not even sure ships them here.
I feel like I can just get a couple of Hobie pontoons, two aluminum rods and design something effective and good looking. Any ideas where I might go? Old marine dealer scrap yards?
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:18 pm to blueboy
You probably only need 1 not 2 pontoons.
Make one
Make one
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:19 pm to blueboy
if you dont care about looks, pvc pipe will be the easiest way and work very well and be very functional as well as customized for just how you want it.
im thinking use 4" pipe for the pontoons and 1" for the cross bars and that wont have too much weight to it
im thinking use 4" pipe for the pontoons and 1" for the cross bars and that wont have too much weight to it
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:37 pm to blueboy
I've seen them in the Philippines made of bamboo and in Daphne/Mobile Bay made of PVC pipe. Just do it and enjoy the stability.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:51 pm to blueboy
Having run a canoe with outriggers...im not sure that the flotation material is more important than setting. If you can find flotation modules you're good.
Just make sure of 2 things....hydrodynamics and depth settings.
If paddling is a big deal then make sure the outriggers are out of the way and make sure you're outriggers are not dragging too much.
If you're worried about fishing stability....make sure the floats are set low.
Obviously the two contradictory but it's really about finding that balance.
But the one absolute....make those outriggers easy on/easy off. It pays dividends to that functionality.
Just make sure of 2 things....hydrodynamics and depth settings.
If paddling is a big deal then make sure the outriggers are out of the way and make sure you're outriggers are not dragging too much.
If you're worried about fishing stability....make sure the floats are set low.
Obviously the two contradictory but it's really about finding that balance.
But the one absolute....make those outriggers easy on/easy off. It pays dividends to that functionality.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:08 am to DonChowder
quote:It's not. It's a 17 foot boat with a flat stern, which holds a 3.3 gas motor. I also run a trolling motor, so I only use paddles for pushing off of things, general maneuvering and emergencies.
If paddling is a big deal then make sure the outriggers are out of the way and make sure you're outriggers are not dragging too much.
quote:Yeah, and to the PVC people, I have actually done that, and it doesn't look great. They're functional, but don't look great and they do spash a lot.
But the one absolute....make those outriggers easy on/easy off. It pays dividends to that functionality.
Is there a place where old sailboats go to die? I really think I can get 1 big or 2 small pontoons off of an old junked hobie cat. They have come in all sizes and shapes.
I agree that I only need one, but for fishing, i'd like to have 2 that are set closer to the boat so that I don't have fish get caught up in the pontoon or rigging.
If I did a single, I'm thinking something like this. A nice rigid platform would be sweet.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 7:15 am to blueboy
Assuming you're in LA, the challenge you'll have is that there isn't a large population of people sailing in Hobies here. Which will make it difficult to find scrap parts. You can always try and you might get lucky, but the scrap yards are just going to have local junk boats.
Not sure how handy you are, but you can also try making your own. Use 1/4 in exterior plywood and make it yourself. Lookup pirogue/skiff plans, you'll start to see some commonalities in construction. Just modify one of those plans for a smaller outrigger. If you don't want to fiberglass it, you can try poor mans fiberglass. It's basically glue, cloth and exterior paint. Google it. It would be worth a shot for at least making a cheap prototype.
Not sure how handy you are, but you can also try making your own. Use 1/4 in exterior plywood and make it yourself. Lookup pirogue/skiff plans, you'll start to see some commonalities in construction. Just modify one of those plans for a smaller outrigger. If you don't want to fiberglass it, you can try poor mans fiberglass. It's basically glue, cloth and exterior paint. Google it. It would be worth a shot for at least making a cheap prototype.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:43 am to LakeviewYakker
Eh, someone else's discarded, professionally produced pontoon seems like a better idea for durability and is still cheaper.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:23 pm to blueboy
Find some long line floats and attach them like training wheels.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:53 pm to snapper26
How about after you have bought all that extra BS and a Kayak, have any of you realized you could have just bought a boat? WTF
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:04 pm to blueboy
Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:46 am to Boat Motor Bandit
quote:
have any of you realized you could have just bought a boat? WTF
You just don't get it, man.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 4:39 pm to blueboy
quote:
I've been wanting to make my canoe more versatile,
I'm missing something. It floats, you can fish and shoot ducks out of it, or take a chick on a sunset cruise and bang in it. What am I missing?
Its a canoe. I fish, camp, and hunt out of mine easily.
Did you buy a canoe with the intent of standing and fishing out of it? If so, please don't breed or vote.
FFS, every time I look at this board there's another justification for a population cleansing plague.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 4:29 am to blueboy
... try searching for ama instead of pontoon.
In particular in association with outrigger canoe. Having it only on one side allows you to lean the other way and lift it out of the water for maneuverability (ie: tight turns). This is called flying the ama. Having two (both sides) I'd imagine would not only severely impact maneuverability but unduly increase frictional resistance (drag - *hinder forward speed)). Plus you'd have to deal with carrying around even more stuff and increased costs. I've tried them on outriggers and could see some benefits on wide open expanses of water.
In particular in association with outrigger canoe. Having it only on one side allows you to lean the other way and lift it out of the water for maneuverability (ie: tight turns). This is called flying the ama. Having two (both sides) I'd imagine would not only severely impact maneuverability but unduly increase frictional resistance (drag - *hinder forward speed)). Plus you'd have to deal with carrying around even more stuff and increased costs. I've tried them on outriggers and could see some benefits on wide open expanses of water.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 5:26 am to blueboy
Just buy a used bateau
Posted on 1/21/18 at 5:31 am to blueboy
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You just don't get it, man
You want to custom build a canoe/catamaran instead of buying a bateau in the first place?
Posted on 1/21/18 at 8:50 am to blueboy
have you considered maybe buying an inflatable pontoon rig and cannibalizing the floats?
They can be bought for under $300.
They can be bought for under $300.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:52 am to blueboy
Here's one on amazon it's inflatable which has certain merits. It at least kinda lets you see one possible way the parts could be designed. The offsets would be wrong for a canoe. There were others as well that might give more ideas or be cannibalized for parts. Thought most were pretty economical. Just got curious, as never thought about what was available.
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