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re: Need help with one of those Chinese four wheelers

Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:57 pm to
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:57 pm to
The battery I bought was made by champion I believe.. not some cheap imported shite
Posted by rexorotten
Missouri
Member since Oct 2013
3923 posts
Posted on 2/18/19 at 10:10 pm to
I wasn't clear in my post. I replaced both batteries with brand new ones as well from a battery supply house. I wanted to put in bigger batteries, but the battery compartment wasn't big enough. The new batteries did not fix my problem. I think the batteries were undersized.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34509 posts
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:04 am to
Yea I can see how that makes sense

I wasn’t able to mess with it last night, didn’t get home from class til 9 so I’ll mess with it today when I get home
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34509 posts
Posted on 2/19/19 at 6:39 pm to
A little update:

Took off the brakes and disconnected the chain, then took off the cover for the gearbox along with the chain inside the gearbox. As soon as we disconnected the chains, the rear end was finally able to spin freely. As soon as we put the chains back on, the rear end loocked up again.. the chain inside the gearbox was REALLY tight while it was on the sprockets, not sure what the deal was there.

Anyways, while the chains were off, we connected the battery and tried to start it and it turned over a few times which was uplifting.. tried to turn it over a few minutes later, NOTHING.. not even a crank

Ran out of daylight and started getting hangry, I’ll get back at it tomorrow
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15118 posts
Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:06 pm to
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As soon as we disconnected the chains, the rear end was finally able to spin freely.


Confirms nothing wrong with rear end/axle/brake.

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As soon as we put the chains back on, the rear end loocked up again..


Rear end didn't lock up again. The rear axle will not turn with the chain on if the engine or clutch/drive gear is locked up. Did you try cranking the engine over with the spark plug out? With no compression the engine should spin over easily. If not the clutch/front sprocket/drive system may be locked up.
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:22 pm to
For a 4 year old, throw that thing away and order the razor electric dirt quad from Walmart.com. I got them on sale for my kids right before Christmas for about $350 each and they have been great. My 9 year old rides all over the back yard and it goes pretty quick. Your 4yo could get a lot if use out of it.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34509 posts
Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:53 pm to
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Did you try cranking the engine over with the spark plug out?


Yes, it was off the whole time we were messing with it


When I said ‘the rear end locked up’, I meant that the wheels wouldn’t turn. I understood that we eliminated the rear end as the problem

Like I said, the first time we tried starting it once we took the chains off, it tried repeatedly to crank, which was encouraging.. after that, NOTHING. Wouldn’t even ‘click’ when we tried starting it
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34509 posts
Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:55 pm to
quote:

For a 4 year old, throw that thing away and order the razor electric dirt quad from Walmart.com. I got them on sale for my kids right before Christmas for about $350 each and they have been great. My 9 year old rides all over the back yard and it goes pretty quick. Your 4yo could get a lot if use out of it.


He’ll be five next month, and has been riding four wheelers pretty much his whole life. I really wanted to get him a gas ATV, and this was was given to me for free, and has less than an hour of run time on it.. it’s a nice looking bike, I forgot to take pictures of it while I was at my dad’s

Plus, it gives me and my old man something to tinker around with. My first four wheeler was a little Suzuki 50 that my paw paw fixed up so I guess we’re trying to start a family tradition
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 8:57 pm
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
1941 posts
Posted on 2/19/19 at 9:44 pm to
Understood. Been through that type of frustration with go karts, mowers and 4 wheelers and it can be frustrating.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34509 posts
Posted on 2/19/19 at 9:48 pm to
Yea I hear ya.. we are making progress though. Was glad to see the back wheels spinning today, was worried that something was seriously wrong. Still have no clue why it tried turning over earlier, then absolutely stopped right after.

Clearly these things aren’t built well. But if I can get one year out of a free ATV, I’d be more than happy
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34509 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 6:04 pm to
Update:

Took apart the gearbox, then opened up the clutch and found that only two of the three springs were left.. the third spring was all torn up inside the housing.. had to order a three pack of springs for only $7 so I think we will be good to go. I’ll update the thread Tuesday and let y’all know if I get it running. Thanks for the help fellas

Pic of the clutch:






The motor turned over fine once I got the clutch out of the bind. I didn’t attempt to really start it because I want to clean out the carburetor first, but the motor turned over for me today which is great news
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 6:06 pm
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 6:18 pm to
Looks like you found the culprit. Hope your kid enjoys it.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34509 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 6:52 pm to
Thanks bud.. We won’t know for sure if it’s good to go til the springs come in on Tuesday. I’m actually pretty confident that it’ll be alright. Tomorrow I’ll take the carb off and soak it for a few days then blow it out.. Even though the gas looks and smells fine, I’m gonna drain the tank and put some fresh gas in it just to be sure


I wonder how many people had this same problem and just trashed their bikes. I didn’t know what I was really doing at first (I’m a decent mechanic but I thought this was over my pay grade ) but it’s honestly such a simple fix if you have metric sockets and combo wrenches
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 6:54 pm
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