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re: My week without my conceal carry firearm

Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:34 am to
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:34 am to
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But we shouldn't swim there because it's a dangerous place and we can prevent shark attacks by not swimming there. Because I am self aware I can avoid being attacked by just not going where the sharks are.


I ain't gonna lie, I ain't gettin in no water that potentially has sharks. frick that.
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
2065 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:47 am to
This just recently happened. The only reason the couple lived is the criminal was obviously a bad shot. The criminal did fire first though, because the other guy's instincts (who was special forces trained) told him to not fire on the guy yet. This was bad instincts regardless of his training. He had the upper hand at that point. He could have changed the odds and been one step ahead of the criminal with the element of surprise and shot first, since the criminal didn't even know he had the gun. In the end the gun might have saved the couple, but partially out of luck.

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Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86338 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:50 am to
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So I should have no defense in that situation?
It will make no meaningful difference to you.
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Just assume that I'll get robbed at some point in life and have no option to deter it?

You will have no option to deter it gun or no gun. The robber will just get another free gun.

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Hey guys, pack it in. There is nothing we can do to deter crime or defend ourselves other than self awareness.

Pretty much.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65347 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:58 am to
Kind of a shitty way to look at life isn't it?
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
2065 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:00 am to
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Kind of a shitty way to look at life isn't it?
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I ain't gonna lie, I ain't gettin in no water that potentially has sharks. frick that.

No more than being afraid to go swimming because you might get bit by a shark.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 10:01 am
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29433 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:05 am to
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Exactly. It's not like any of those carrying are ever going to use them anyway.



Perhaps you're right.

I've had to brandish at a crackhead on chippewa who thought beating on my windshield while I waited for a tow truck was a great idea. Apparently he really wanted that cigarette I was smoking.

The one time I should have used it, there was a heroin addict in new orleans who pulled a knife on my wife and I. The guy was moving so slow, and he was so young, I couldn't bring myself to shoot him. I let my wife hold the gun and rather violently disarmed him. The cops showed up, and thank god NOPD let me walk away rather than deal with it.

He had at least a dislocated shoulder and possibly a broken hip from hitting the ground.

In retrospect it was stupid and I should have shot him.

I seem to be a magnet for stupidity like that, a kid pulled an empty revolver on me in broad daylight in 2004ish. Didn't have a single bullet in the gun.

Had a kid pull a knife in the parking lot of cortana mall in 2002ish.

It's always someone under the influence and always in an area that isn't what you would call...bad. Cept chippewa. That was just a freak accident
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 10:08 am
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29433 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:06 am to
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This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 10:08 am
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21172 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:11 am to
I say better to be prepared and not need it then to not be prepared and need it.

Chance favors those most prepared.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86338 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:18 am to
Like the fine china and plastic couch covering my grandmother had in case the Pope dropped by.* I mean, it could happen.









* credit: Ray Romano
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65347 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:32 am to
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No more than being afraid to go swimming because you might get bit by a shark.


I don't enjoy swimming. That's why I don't go in the water. But I surely wouldn't go swimming in water full of sharks.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
23652 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:56 am to
Helmet and fire suit? No. Seat belt? Yes. I look at a CC weapon as a seat belt. Full battle rattle as more the helmet and fire suit.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
175564 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:57 am to
swimming with sharks or new york city subways at 2am.... tough call...
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
70906 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:01 am to
I'll chance the sharks
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86338 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:05 am to
...and a seatbelt needs no warning to do all it cando.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
26018 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:08 am to
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So I should have no defense in that situation? Just assume that I'll get robbed at some point in life and have no option to deter it?

Hey guys, pack it in. There is nothing we can do to deter crime or defend ourselves other than self awareness.



You are just dumb to try to use logic with Alx, he is too stupid to comprehend it
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86338 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:11 am to
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You are just dumb to try to use logic with Alx, he is too stupid to comprehend it

Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5066 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:09 pm to
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You will have no option to deter it gun or no gun. The robber will just get another free gun.

1. Might happen. Probably true for those who walk around in Condition "White."
2. But I think it's not real likely for others.
3. People tend to see others as they see themselves.

I'm with Broke -- having options is not a bad thing.

I'm amazed at the mentality of a couple of members (and a few students who have attended my CCW classes) who seem to think the odds of needing a gun for self-defense are astronomically high.

They might be really high for those who live in Kansas, or in BF South Dakota.

But even if the odds are high, "the odds" shouldn't be the factor that determines whether or not you carry. It's not "the odds" -- it's the potential consequences of needing a gun and not having one.

p.s. Tom Givens puts the odds of being the victim of a violent crime (murder/homicide, forcible rape, armed robbery or aggravated assault), in the US, at 1:57 - that ain't astronomically high.

* There were 5.6 million violent crimes reported to law enforcement in 2013. (Source: FBI Uniform Crime Report/Bureau of Justice Statistics' Annual Crime Survey).

*The population of the US in 2013 was about 316.7 million.

Do the math.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86338 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:11 pm to
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But even if the odds are high, "the odds" shouldn't be the factor that determines whether or not you carry. It's not "the odds" -- it's the potential consequences of needing a gun and not having one.

Yup
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65347 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:36 pm to
I was mugged by a dude in Scotlandville when I was just out of high school. It's not a pleasant experience. I had some luck with me that day and he did it in front of a cop.
Posted by dwr353
Member since Oct 2007
2173 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 4:10 pm to
I carry at all times. When I am asked what I am scared of, I say not a thing. Speaking as a retired LEO, police record what happened in most cases, they appear AFTER the fact. I would rather be the one giving the statement!!!
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