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Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:06 am to lsufan1971
Well, seasoned officers have street survival skilks. They know that a person new to carrying has a habit of routinely checking on the gun, patting the clothes to feel it. Good observation will catch that. And they know who is likely to be this person, by both profiling and geography.
Special military is all wrapped up in tactics , and is not in touch with policing.
Now, thats whats on that sandwich above.
Special military is all wrapped up in tactics , and is not in touch with policing.
Now, thats whats on that sandwich above.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:00 am to lsufan1971
quote:This. He is knowledgeable and is a highly skilled shooter.
Massad knows his shite but pimping 1911’s while working for WC is just an infomercial. Don’t get me wrong I love 1911’s but to carry one effectively takes an enormous amount of trying to be proficient.
In the past (when I trained with Ayoob) he and his SO (Gail) both carried Glocks. At that time, he only carried something other than a Glock when he was being paid to write a "reviews" of a gun for one of the gun rags. Then he would carry that particular pistol for a few days before writing the typical "glowing" review the gun rags want.
Now that he works for (is sponsored by) Wilson, his current writings need to be taken with an even larger grain of salt.
ETA: Keep in mind that what Ayoob teaches about legal justification for shooting someone is based on what he considers to be defensible in any state. IOW he teaches the same material in all of his classes, irrespective of what state you're in. (I'm referring specifically to his 40-hour MAG40 classes). So you have to know enough about the laws in your state to be able to filter out about 5% of what be preaches.
This post was edited on 4/25/23 at 10:35 am
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:10 am to finchmeister08
I’ll just stick to IWB carrying my Hellcat
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:17 am to dawg23
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Now that he works for (is sponsored by) Wilson, his current writings need to be taken with an even larger grain of salt
The title of this thread and the YouTube short taken out of context is misleading. I mean, his full video basically says that a manual safety has the potential to add an unrealized benefit, but ultimately having a manual safety is up to each individual based on their situation. He also notes that guns that offer both are far more popular without safeties. It’s good information, even if you don’t intend to use one, if you have a friend or family member undecided on what they need in a particular situation, you can provide all the pros and cons of it.
I’ve never considered what I would carry if I was a LEO, but that piece of information that he shared would weigh heavily on my decision. As a CCW, not so much.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 7:59 am to Theduckhunter
From a PURELY SELF-DEFENSE perspective, it's really difficult to justify having an external safety on a handgun. I see all the comments that say, "Oh, it only takes a fraction of second to flip the safety lever." These people aren't considering the possibility of grappling for your gun, and having the safety accidentally manipulated during the struggle.
If you regain control (with training there's little reason to lose your gun to an attacker), and if you try to shoot assuming (erroneously) that the safety is "off", the time factor for assessing why the gun won't shoot becomes much bigger than a fraction of a second.
The bigger, more realistic issue is forgetting to flip the external safety "off." Go to any local IDPA or USPSA match and watch the guys who are shooting their first competition. I guarantee that the of the ones with an external safety, a third of them will forget to disengage the safety on one or more stages. This is due to nervousness, and having a gang of competitors watching, while the electronic stopwatch is recoding their time.
If someone isn't comfortable carrying a handgun that doesn't have an external safety, they should definitely get a gun that has one. But when we discuss this in my classes, and when people realize that their holster is another form of external safety (since any good holster covers the trigger), they are suddenly much more comfortable carrying a pistol that only has internal safeties.
If you regain control (with training there's little reason to lose your gun to an attacker), and if you try to shoot assuming (erroneously) that the safety is "off", the time factor for assessing why the gun won't shoot becomes much bigger than a fraction of a second.
The bigger, more realistic issue is forgetting to flip the external safety "off." Go to any local IDPA or USPSA match and watch the guys who are shooting their first competition. I guarantee that the of the ones with an external safety, a third of them will forget to disengage the safety on one or more stages. This is due to nervousness, and having a gang of competitors watching, while the electronic stopwatch is recoding their time.
If someone isn't comfortable carrying a handgun that doesn't have an external safety, they should definitely get a gun that has one. But when we discuss this in my classes, and when people realize that their holster is another form of external safety (since any good holster covers the trigger), they are suddenly much more comfortable carrying a pistol that only has internal safeties.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 5:24 pm to finchmeister08
Posted on 4/26/23 at 5:39 pm to finchmeister08
Will ya'll just switch to Da/Sa decocker only and quit arguing?
Posted on 4/26/23 at 5:43 pm to Theduckhunter
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I’ve never considered what I would carry if I was a LEO, b
You would carry issue weapon.
I caught the tail end of those old days my first 5 years. I went thru the academy with a Smith 66 revolver.
Carried a Smith 5906, then for about 2 years , a Smith 4043 DAO. Finally, everyone went to issue weapon, a Sig P220
Today as a civilian, my choice is a Ruger GP 100. Might would trade for the new model Smith 66 or 19.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 4/26/23 at 6:31 pm to EF Hutton
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You would carry issue weapon
That’s not true everywhere.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 6:34 pm to EF Hutton
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The old school guys ( late 70’s, early 80’s) trained with those 1911’s and had developed that instinct to turn that safety off.
I learned to take the safety off a 1911 during the draw but I was doing competitions. I don't think the average gun owner is going to shoot enough to build that muscle memory. Now when I haven't shot one (or any gun) with a safety like that it is still natural to swipe it off during the draw. Now if I take it off a table or something I am bumbling around like an idiot if I didn't know the safety was on.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 11:20 pm to dawg23
Legit advice. Shooting is great. Handling and cycling it, or even using snapcaps is really good too. Just working that safety for muscle memory is key.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 1:38 am to Havoc
It’s called developing instinct, discussed by me, on page 1.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 10:04 am to EF Hutton
Well people are only allowing the recipe for disaster to happen if they rotate between guns with external safeties and guns without. People should know what they are carrying. I don’t see how people can forget about the safety otherwise unless they just don’t know their weapon which is unacceptable. Similarly, people not feel reassured by a gun with an external safety that’s actually sitting on the dresser while the gun poking the hip is ready to be fired.
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