re: Made my first high fence hunt

Congrats. Nice looking ram. We hunt Mark Ivy's ranch every year. Just got back week before Christmas. Absolutely love that place. Mark, Jody, Brian are all first class and will definitely get you on the animal your looking for. Came home with two big axis does and a Red Heinze.

Shoot not "hunt"

My hunt last year changed my opinion as well. I expected to see a hundred deer every hunt and have them just stand there and wait to be shot.... not the case at all. It was a "hunt" not a shoot..... people can call it what they want. Typically those who hate it either went to a bad one or haven't experienced it. You have to take it for what it is as well. It's not a free range hunt in a WMA but that doesn't make it wrong either... just my opinion....

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But I'm pretty sure your talking out your arse. also pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. I know this because I have also talked out of my ignorant arse and I recognize the symptoms.

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Have an upvote for your statement!

Well said.

To me shooting is what you do at a range or a carnival. Hunting brings wild meat home and puts in in the freezer.

I've been trying to figure out a way for years to put a barcode reader on a rifle scope so you can check to make sure you can afford the animal you are about to shoot.

It's crazy to me that you can call anything inside a fence "hunting." I get that the illusion of fair chase is there, but at the end of the day that animal was put there by a person for the specific purpose to be sold. How is that hunting?

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Is hog hunting still hunting?

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No , it is management of an invasive species

And I am not going to keep going back and forth, I have stated my opinion..."the killing of native or non native animals inside of a man made enclosure is not hunting TO ME" If you feel it is and/or enjoy it.... great, why would you be worried about what I thought?

And I have shot 2 escaped black bucks while deer hunting, I killed them, but I was not hunting them aka Bycatch

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I see it as hunting because you are hunting wild animals. Some being born and raised on that ranch for generations

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Would killing a steer be considered hunting? If you went out into a pasture with a compound bow and chased the thing around for a few hours/days until you got close enough to shoot, would you say you went steer hunting?

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If you shoot that same animal in a Texas ranch outside of a fence, then is it then considered hunting?

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I would think these animals would be classified as livestock so your question poses a few problems. However, if it's outside of a fence, its more fair chase than inside. If my neighbors cow wondered onto my property, as it has in the past, I wouldn't shoot it and say I hunted a cow.

Some places you ride around in a Jeep looking for a specific animal. Some you can even rattle some rocks around in a coffee can and they come looking for food. Obviously this is not the type of hunt you went on, but you would have to be delusional to think you walked inside that fence with anything short of a guaranteed kill.

I take zero issue with placing animals in a situation for human consumption but trying to say that the harvest of a critter who was put inside a fence to be consumed is hunting, is a little crazy to me. You didn't hunt anything. What you did was pay to harvest a specific animal. An animal that was placed in that situation for that very reason. It was probably a pretty cool experience and something that a lot of people will go their entire lives without doing, but you didn't go hunting.

An argument could be made if you went on a spot and stalk before taking the shot. Some would consider that hunting. At the very least it was not shot over bait. But even then it's still inside of a fence with constant pressure that it can not escape. Therein lies the problem. 1500 acres is less than 2.5 miles square. You can't, with a straight face, tell me that those animals would hang around with people constantly surveying the property and year round hunting pressure. That alone eliminates the possibility of fair chase. Without fair chase, you're not hunting.

jimmies officially rustled...