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re: Looks like they will open the Bonnet Carré Spillway
Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:02 am to The Sportsman
Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:02 am to The Sportsman
Opening the Morganza Spillway takes pressure off of the Old River Control Structure. Opening the Morganza will not doom the ORCS.
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:32 am to TigerGyp
quote:there is belief that if the river ever gets above that of 1973 that the ORCS will fail. With or without the opening of Morganza. And if they open morganza there is no guarantee that they will get it closed before the river changes course for good and takes out the orcs along with it
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Posted by TigerGyp
Opening the Morganza Spillway takes pressure off of the Old River Control Structure. Opening the Morganza will not doom the ORCS.
eta: I'm surprised some of our "important" people that have say in the decision have not weighed in on their opinion if it.
This post was edited on 4/30/11 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:40 am to The Sportsman
I'll stand by my first post.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:42 am to The Sportsman
quote:
And if they open morganza there is no guarantee that they will get it closed before the river changes course
I can see this being the major issue
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:20 am to The Sportsman
quote:and the port of Baton Rouge & a lot of people's homes, etc.
And they will only do it to save New Orleans
Glad you're not in charge.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:04 pm to The Sportsman
quote:State level or on the OT?
I'm surprised some of our "important" people that have say in the decision have not weighed in on their opinion if it.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:40 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Tiga I meant state
Didn't they build that above the height of the levees? Therefore the only way the port of BR would be fricked is if the river changed course and deep water navigation was shut down
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The port of baton rouge
Didn't they build that above the height of the levees? Therefore the only way the port of BR would be fricked is if the river changed course and deep water navigation was shut down
Posted on 4/30/11 at 2:56 pm to The Sportsman
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the only way the port of BR would be fricked is if the river changed course and deep water navigation was shut down
They would just dredge it.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 3:23 pm to Athanatos
quote:You can't dredge miles and miles of river over night
They would just dredge it.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 3:28 pm to The Sportsman
No, you can't, but tug traffic and light draft ships would continue to flow. I would be curious to see how quickly the corps would issue contracts for dredging following that sort of event. What kind of reduction in water level do you anticipate?
Posted on 4/30/11 at 4:15 pm to Athanatos
quote:I honestly don't know as I am not a professional on the topic. However, if the river were to change course, I would imagine they would go up the now Atchafalaya River which would bypass NO and BR and probably up to St Louis and the Ohio River making them the big ports. You can credit Huey P Long with the importance of NO and BR ports by building the old Mississippi River Bridge (hwy190) so low that Oil tankers can't go north of BR. If the river changed you can bet your arse they would go north of BR. They are already trying to establish the Atchafalaya River for deep draft ships in the gulf.
Posted by Athanatos
No, you can't, but tug traffic and light draft ships would continue to flow. I would be curious to see how quickly the corps would issue contracts for dredging following that sort of event. What kind of reduction in water level do you anticipate?
Posted on 4/30/11 at 5:21 pm to TigerGyp
quote:
Opening the Morganza Spillway takes pressure off of the Old River Control Structure. Opening the Morganza will not doom the ORCS
This is what Sportsman appears to either have wrong or is just ignoring.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 5:38 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
Opening the Morganza Spillway takes pressure off of the Old River Control Structure. Opening the Morganza will not doom the ORCS
but is it possible that if they open Morganza they won't be able to close it back?
Posted on 4/30/11 at 5:42 pm to AlxTgr
quote:I agree with that statement and have not argued that. I'm simply saying when they opened morganza the one time, the river tried to go that way and they had trouble stopping it. Also, they think the orcs will not hold up to another 1973 like event. Just sayin. My argument that it would be their BIGGEST mistake was the economical impact of them opening the spillway again and the river diverting and causing a failure at the orcs. however, I don't think it will get to that point. So this is kinda pointless. This thread was about the Lake P fishing and being messed up by the opening of the BC spillway
This is what Sportsman appears to either have wrong or is just ignoring.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 5:48 pm to The Sportsman
quote:
them opening the spillway again
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the river diverting and causing a failure at the orcs
I guess I just don't get why you keep tying these two together. It just makes no sense.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 6:20 pm to AlxTgr
quote:The water going through the morganza spillway goes through the atchafalaya basin (the atchafalaya river) which would be the route of least resistance for the river. They are both points of interest to divert river water to the atchafalaya. If one or both were to fail, we'd be fricked. I keep saying the same shite over and over. I'm done with this. Have fun guys
I guess I just don't get why you keep tying these two together. It just makes no sense.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 7:12 pm to The Sportsman
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I agree with that statement and have not argued that. I'm simply saying when they opened morganza the one time, the river tried to go that way and they had trouble stopping it. Also, they think the orcs will not hold up to another 1973 like event.
If they don't think the ORCS can't withstand another event like '73 why wouldn't they open the Morganza Spillway? It is either open the spillway and relieve pressure off the ORCS and hope you can close it back, or have the ORCS fail and then it is a definite that the river will divert its course. Seems to me the obvious would be to open the spillway and pray for the best rather than have a catastophic failure at the ORCS.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 7:25 pm to The Sportsman
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My argument that it would be their BIGGEST mistake was the economical impact of them opening the spillway again and the river diverting and causing a failure at the orcs.
Also, how would the river diverting at the Morganza Spillway cause the ORCS to fail? You do know that the ORCS is north of the spillway?
Posted on 4/30/11 at 7:28 pm to FlagLake
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Also, how would the river diverting at the Morganza Spillway cause the ORCS to fail? You do know that the ORCS is north of the spillway?
Yea that statement's confusing me as well. The info posted even said that in '73 opening Morganza is what saved the ORCS, which is the only thing that would make sense
Posted on 4/30/11 at 7:31 pm to Boats n Hose
quote:I thought there was some faulty logic early on but bowed out cause of a lack of knowledge on the matter.
Yea that statement's confusing me as well. The info posted even said that in '73 opening Morganza is what saved the ORCS, which is the only thing that would make sense
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