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Lets talk hack and squirt

Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:30 am
Posted by mach316
Jonesboro, AR
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:30 am
Went down the rabbit hole on YouTube the other day looking at ways to improve my land for deer and turkeys, and came across people "girdling" to thin out undesirable trees. This led me to the hack and squirt technique which seems super simple as opposed to cutting down a bunch of trees. Id like to open up some of the canopy around food plots, etc. Has anyone tried this with any success?

Ole boy here seems to have the simplest method down.

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Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
14357 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:32 am to
not what I was expecting when I opened the thread
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17896 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:37 am to


This is the Craig Harper blend. Pricey but he swears it is the sauce.

I’m still not sold on the idea of hack and squirt over hinge cutting but I guess if you are improving acres at a time the hack and squirt method is going to be more efficient. If you’re just looking to sweeten up a particular area and encourage bedding think that lends itself more to hinge, as deer will still browse even less desirable trees if they’re in reach and will use the laydowns for cover.
Posted by A_bear
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2013
2291 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:52 am to
Apparently LDWF has been doing this on some wma’s. Was talking with my brothers about it and couldn’t remember the term for the method so I just started calling them “scratch and sniff areas” lol
The ones I came across on the wma are pretty new and open, haven’t grown up yet, and the deer avoid them like the plague. I figured out that they work well to funnel deer and moved my setups accordingly. Not sure how they will play out long term though.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16370 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:54 am to
Basal application is easier. Walking the woods with a drill and a windex bottle is not a high production operation.
Posted by Bayou Ken
Member since Sep 2018
132 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:31 am to
I’ve been doing hack and squirt on sweetgums this summer using the Craig Harper cocktail. It’s more effective in the late growing season when the sap is moving down to the roots. I did some in February but it’s not quite as effective. If doing it in February, you have to girdle and spray herbicide for larger Trees. I made the mistake of letting loggers take some sweet gums during a pine thinning. Stump sprouts everywhere and turned into a jungle.
Posted by Cypressknee
Member since Jul 2017
1419 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:40 am to
Friends Dad has been doing it for sometime now on his property to clear out trash trees. He mixes 50/50 diesel and remedy in a windex bottle. It works.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
27038 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:45 am to
quote:

He mixes 50/50 diesel and remedy in a windex bottle.


My MS land agent told me that crossbow (which I have) and diesel would work.
I haven't done it yet but will on a few areas at my place.
Posted by mach316
Jonesboro, AR
Member since Jul 2012
4896 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Stump sprouts everywhere and turned into a jungle.


Ya this is what I'm definitely trying to avoid.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17896 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:50 am to
If you’re looking to eliminate the gum that’s one thing, but stumps resprouting isn’t the worst thing as far as attraction.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16370 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:26 pm to
1:4 tryclopyr:diesel basal (check label for sweet gum)

Hack and squirt on larger trees (>4”)you best sever all cambium or it will survive.

We used pathway rtu for h&s.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
14357 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:15 pm to
quote:


Apparently LDWF has been doing this on some wma’s. Was talking with my brothers about it and couldn’t remember the term for the method so I just started calling them “scratch and sniff areas” lol
The ones I came across on the wma are pretty new and open, haven’t grown up yet, and the deer avoid them like the plague. I figured out that they work well to funnel deer and moved my setups accordingly. Not sure how they will play out long term though.


Once it starts getting thick they'll be loaded with deer.
Posted by A_bear
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2013
2291 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

Once it starts getting thick they'll be loaded with deer


The ones I know of are fairly close to private land. I’m hoping once they get thick, the deer will come to them to bed. It’s hard to compete with food plots and unlimited corn/rice brand, but hopefully a good bedding area will pull some deer to the public.
Posted by Bayou Ken
Member since Sep 2018
132 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 2:24 pm to
For you guys who are trying to improve habitat for deer, I recommend these 2 podcasts with Dr. Craig Harper.
1. Google “Manage your fields for bigger bucks and better hunting “
2. Gamekeepers podcast Episode 255
“New fire data.
Managing old field habitat And using prescribed fire can yield great results.
Once I get my gums cleared, that’s my plan.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2120 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 3:38 pm to
Yes. It is extremely fast, effective, and cheap for trees under 12”. A whack with a hatchet per 3” of diameter. It takes seconds of time and maybe $0.01 per stem. The Harper cocktail is my goto herbicide. I even had good luck on gum trees in February — most advise that success at this time is iffy.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted by plazadweller
South Georgia
Member since Jul 2011
11822 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:53 pm to
I’m spraying 150 acre stand of slash pines next summer. Forester said August is the best time. I will say this…slash & squirt isn’t always effective. You may have to hit it multiple times. I’ve seen one method where they drill, fill it with a granular table and seal it up inside the tree.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
6820 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:58 pm to
Mississippi State says the fresh sprouts from a sweet gum stump are a great attraction for deer.
Posted by Bigsampson
Fort Worth
Member since Apr 2017
416 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 5:28 pm to
It really depends on how often you are on the land during the growing season.
If you are there every other weekend or so, works great!
Once cut, keep a sprayer on your 4 wheeler and hit the new growth. After a couple of times, the root system will die.
I just spray here and there as I go about my day and maybe a trip a month to unvisited areas.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2120 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 6:03 pm to
Really? Sweet gum? I know they’ve said that about many trees, including black gum. Sweet gum has always been one of the few that seems not to get the attention that many others do, according to MSU and others. I’ll flush cut and leave elm, maple. Sweet gum and hornbeam (my other problem mid story trees) get terminated.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 6:05 pm
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17896 posts
Posted on 8/15/24 at 7:46 pm to
It never became more desirable when the other species were also cut, so if you have a realistic chance to selectively eradicate sweetgum it’s not worth leaving them just for this, but Lashley and these guys both found that it was highly utilized.

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