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re: LA Constitutional Carry Bill is Back (HB68)
Posted on 4/21/17 at 3:34 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 4/21/17 at 3:34 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
, I'll still get a license anyway so I can carry I other states. I'm for it but it sounds like an ideological piece of legislation more than anything.
If Trump and the NRA can get National reciprocity passed this wont be necessary...unless reciprocity gets watered down not to include constitutional carry...
Posted on 4/21/17 at 3:37 pm to BRL79
quote:I'm not the best person to answer this for you.
I never understood how someone can open carry with no issues but somehow if you have your shirt covering the gun it becomes a huge problem. Blows my mind.
But I will suggest that just about anyone who is active (e.g. an officer or director) in the Louisiana Sheriff's Association can explain it.
It's very much a law enforcement issue. And therein lies "the rub." For some folks the CCW requirement is a real-world enforcement/safety issue, while for others it's a philosophical argument.
As I mentioned before, I'll bet I've devoted more time and funds to protect our 2nd Amendment rights than anyone on this board. But there are practical considerations that also need to be taken into account. And somewhere there has to be a balance.
If people really want to eliminate an unfair barrier to gun ownership and gun use, I'd suggest supporting the Hearing Protection Act (and pushing for the complete dissolution of the NFA Class III restrictions).
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:12 pm to dawg23
quote:
My specific point that you so eloquently refer to as "full retard" was nothing more than an attempt to help you
Just because you cite the ibfrinddgement doesnt make it any less of an infrindgement. Yes 2A is slowly being watered down by lawmakers. And most of it is thanks to "supporters" of 2A, such as yourself, who are ready to compromise citing asinine logic.
quote:
Too many people get killed every year in Louisiana through stupid/unsafe gun handling
How many? If less than 140 people died of accidental gun shots last year in the US how many were in LA and is that number out of line with other accidents? I'll spare you posting the viral video still circulating of the instructor almost blowing his head off on the range. Because education and all.
PS...theres someone on this board that's done more than you to protect 2A, D.N., so don't flatter yourself. You likely did more harm than good.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:31 pm to Propagandalf
quote:
LA Constitutional Carry Bill is Back (HB68)
quote:
My specific point that you so eloquently refer to as "full retard" was nothing more than an attempt to help you
Just because you cite the ibfrinddgement doesnt make it any less of an infrindgement. Yes 2A is slowly being watered down by lawmakers. And most of it is thanks to "supporters" of 2A, such as yourself, who are ready to compromise citing asinine logic.
PS.... theres someone on this board that's done more than you to protect 2A, D.N., so don't flatter yourself. You likely did more harm than good.You likely did more harm than good.
Your apparent inability to understand the meaning of commonly used words is staggering.
p.s. My phone number is still 225-766-4422. My address is still 10275 Siegen. If you'd like to discuss this rationally, like an adult, call me.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:37 pm to dawg23
Meet me at Spicers
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:45 pm to Propagandalf
You two want to borrow my dueling pistols?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:53 pm to upgrayedd
quote:No, I'm a lousy shot.
You two want to borrow my dueling pistols?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:55 pm to Propagandalf
quote:Never heard of this.
Meet me at Spicers
If you wanna talk, like an adult, just call the number I posted and make an appointment.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:18 pm to dawg23
quote:
I'm not the best person to answer this for you.
But I will suggest that just about anyone who is active (e.g. an officer or director) in the Louisiana Sheriff's Association can explain it.
Doubtful. They wouldn't know even the history of current laws.
Concealed carry weapons laws date back to the mid-1800's. Then it was considered dishonest to conceal a firearm or large knife and laws were passed against such "disreputable behavior". The NRA was instrumental in getting these laws passed in the late 19th Century, they represented more of the well-to-do sporting shooters than the lower class folks back then anyway. If you were a proper gentlemen you carried your firearm in plain sight, only criminals/gangsters and those who could be up to no good in general (read: poors and minorities) would carry a concealed weapon. This was the prevailing attitude through the 1920's and 1930's when most CCW laws were passed at the state and local levels. Wasn't until the Post-WW2 period when urbanization made it passe to carry a firearm period, so while open carry was still legal it became increasingly unpopular. Mid- to late-1960's civil unrest and 1970's drug epidemics made it politically popular to pass further restrictions on firearms, particularly handguns. Since the 2nd Amendment was still considered an individual right (the collective right theory was gaining popularity amongst legal scholars during this period though) most legislation was aimed at curtailing the carrying of firearms just short of outright banning them. Employing a special permitting system for those wishing to carry a concealed firearm legally was also method to make sure only the "right" people carried (read: non-poors). Not coincidentally the NRA "radicallized" during this period because they started seeing the writing on the wall as powerful anti-gun lobbying groups clamored for more laws with the eventual goal to completely ban civilian possession of most firearms except those deemed proper for sporting purposes and even then with strict fees and regulations attached. Hunter's "safety" classes are nothing more than an offshoot of CCW legislation, nothing really to do with safety as much as add extra hurdles and make the states a little easy money .
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:23 am to Clames
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If you were a proper gentlemen you carried your firearm in plain sight, only criminals/gangsters and those who could be up to no good in general (read: poors and minorities) would carry a concealed weapon.
bingo
I would take exception to the use of "minorities" here though...as just about every ethnicity back then was a minority in some manner. people without criminal intent carried openly and those with it tended to conceal. the mores of the time were that you didn't conceal unless you were up to no good
Posted on 4/22/17 at 9:55 am to cgrand
Gun-control laws have always had a foundation in racism to one degree or another.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:31 am to dawg23
quote:
So, where's all the outrage over Hunter Safety classes
I teach Hunter safety classes free of charge as a Public service
CCW should be the same way if mandated...
Constitutional carry is the only option...anything less is anti 2A
Posted on 4/22/17 at 11:41 pm to dawg23
quote:Just chiming in from the peanut gallery.
So, where's all the outrage over Hunter Safety classes?
Gun education is either good, or bad.
I'm not a hunter, so I'm not very current on this, but I'm closing in on 50 soon. Last I knew, I was grandfathered in, and the classes aren't mandatory for me
---*just checked, and I'm correct. I was born in '68, so while I agree classes would be helpful, I legally can choose to forgo them, and still get a license.
While I concede that there are likely more people younger than me (or specifically, the "born on Sept 1 1969 or later" crew), there's a sizable chunk of the state population that is my age or older. For myself and people in that same boat, the class is a personal decision, not a binding law.
I would say Constitutional Carry should fall into the same premise as my personal situation, legally.
Hunting SHOULD have education available, for those new to it (like I would be). Not only are there a lot of rules and regulations as to what you can hunt, with what, at what times (that would need to be learned obviously), but the actual intent is different than carrying for protection...
hunters, I would assume, go out and INTEND to shoot something. You're looking for something to shoot.
If you choose to carry (CCW), it's incumbent on you to be aware of the laws, as to where you can carry, and under what circumstances you can draw or discharge your gun legally. No argument there. But a normal citizen carrying isn't looking to shoot someone or something, he/she has that option available to protect themselves. You can do it in your home and car; and I have to believe there's a lot of people who already do just that, and are quite aware of consequences if they do it wrongly, and choose to own a gun without taking classes. Completely legally. They're not shooting the meter readers on their property, or the beggars approaching them at red lights; I don't see how you can infer that they would suddenly go apeshit if they're allowed to carry on their person.
And honestly, those current gun owners who don't have the CCW license are the ones most likely to consider the transition to carrying. If someone doesn't already own a gun, they're unlikely to go get one for the sole reason of carrying "just because".
added- I have a couple of friends my age who do hunt, and I know for sure a couple never took any official class. They grew up with it, they know the ins and outs, they stay current with all the details they need to be able to enjoy themselves. These guys know what they're doing, and I consider them a lot safer- and better hunters most likely, as they get their share- than some early 20's guy who sat through a day's course. That's not to demean the classes, but to point out that attending a couple days of training don't make you an expert on something, and not attending doesn't automatically make you incompetent.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:00 am to Pepperidge
quote:Thank you, that's a great service. If I ever decide to take up hunting, I hope to find someone like you beforehand; as I would view your class as being given by someone who wants to help others to learn about and enjoy the sport, rather than a mandatory additional fee collection that's required.
I teach Hunter safety classes free of charge as a Public service
CCW should be the same way if mandated...
Constitutional carry is the only option...anything less is anti 2A
The CCW classes should be the same; available to those who desire it.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:39 am to chinese58
Man I hope this passes. ai have a permit but already dread having to do the crap to renew it.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 7:11 am to Scoob
quote:
That's not to demean the classes, but to point out that attending a couple days of training don't make you an expert on something, and not attending doesn't automatically make you incompetent.
Exactly.
And your reasoning is also proven to be true since the firearm accident rate and the violent crime rate in constitutional carry states is largely unaffected.
I'm very much an objectivist - if you have data that backs your assertion, I follow the data. I remember initially having an aversion to constitutional carry until I read the crime data. The truth is in them.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:39 am to BRL79
quote:It blows my mind that this blows your mind.
I never understood how someone can open carry with no issues but somehow if you have your shirt covering the gun it becomes a huge problem. Blows my mind.
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