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re: I’m seriously thinking of making a .243 AR10
Posted on 10/28/20 at 2:16 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 10/28/20 at 2:16 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I am starting to believe you don't understand the questions.
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Posted on 10/28/20 at 3:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Shots that are unethical with the .243 are not unethical bigger calibers. I can shoot a deer at any angle with a .30-06 and premium 180gr bullets and know that I will reach the vitals, break bones if they're in the way, and get an exit.
So you're advocating it's ok to take unethical shots if shooting something larger than a .243 such as a 30-06 ?
Is shooting deer with a 416 Rigby more ethical than using a 30-06 ?
regarding "getting an exit" - many premium big game bullets are designed to expand reliably and retain maximum weight. Energy is dumped into the vitals and bullets are usually recovered underneath the skin on opposite side of entry. Pictures of .30 cal / 180 gr pills
Posted on 10/28/20 at 3:32 pm to Got Blaze
Ironically, my worst shot ever was on my biggest deer ever. A galloping buck chasing does. I hit the front leg bone which should never be involved in a good shot. Luckily, the .243 bullet exploded and turned the lungs into mush. No exit. Easily found by just walking on the buck's direction.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 4:04 pm to AlxTgr
I occasionally hunt deer with my Red Ryder, although I'm more proficient at harvesting vermin.
Probably considered unethical per DSAFI since there was no exit wound
Probably considered unethical per DSAFI since there was no exit wound
Posted on 10/28/20 at 4:10 pm to Got Blaze
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Is shooting deer with a 416 Rigby more ethical than using a 30-06 ?
Thats exactly what I've been saying. Sell your kids .243 to some other dumb redneck and buy him an elephant rifle.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 4:24 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
this is how you roll brother ? 
Posted on 10/28/20 at 8:31 pm to Got Blaze
I was gonna say, the entire premise of an “exit wound” being preferred/necessary is faulty.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 8:43 pm to Tiguar
If you don't have a.dog, you need an exit to get blood early, if you have to wait on a cavity to fill up to start seeping, you may not get on blood. Not a problem in hardwoods, pretty easy to follow tracks...can be hell in the pines.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 9:03 pm to tigerfoot
The irony being your chances of needing to track very far drop precipitously if the bullet dumps all its energy in a vital zone
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:00 pm to Tiguar
of course, but you get a high lung, a single lung, a liver, gut or something not in the middle vital you get a deer than get out of there pretty quick. Yes you get a bunch more that drop, but you also get a few that are hell to find but dead in about 200 yards.
I am not speaking from a book, although I am sure they are right. I am speaking from a bunch of dead deer.. I could give two shits about a caliber debate, but blow up bullets are something I am not a fan of.
I am not speaking from a book, although I am sure they are right. I am speaking from a bunch of dead deer.. I could give two shits about a caliber debate, but blow up bullets are something I am not a fan of.
This post was edited on 10/28/20 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 10/29/20 at 4:07 am to tigerfoot
Why are people here so insecure about .243, anyone who knows how to shoot can drop any whitetail deer with it.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 4:39 am to Tiguar
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The irony being your chances of needing to track very far drop precipitously if the bullet dumps all its energy in a vital zone
I think this is bad logic. Some deer will run no matter what you hit them with. I want my bullet to exit. Energy transfer does not kill a deer.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 7:00 am to upgrade
quote:This is interesting.
Energy transfer does not kill a deer.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 7:01 am to DaBeerz
Of course. I am debating my desire for an exit
Posted on 10/29/20 at 7:38 am to tigerfoot
The study linked above is pretty interesting. It showed deer shot by highly frangible rounds were more likely to drop where they stood and ran less (if they ran) when compared to controlled expansion rounds.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:09 am to Tiguar
I prefer to have as good a blood trail as possible. I don’t count on deer dropping where they stand. I can follow a blood trail, I actually enjoy that part of hunting.
Deer shot in the chest cavity die by tissue destruction as blood loss, not energy transfer. Now, energy transfer plays a factor in bullet performance, sure.
Deer shot in the chest cavity die by tissue destruction as blood loss, not energy transfer. Now, energy transfer plays a factor in bullet performance, sure.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 8:12 am
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:25 am to upgrade
I want blood with archery. I really am indifferent with a rifle. Pass through is zero concern. I think the farthest one has run on me was 40 yards.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:30 am to upgrade
Energy transfer is how tissue is destroyed with modern firearms.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 8:30 am
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:38 am to upgrade
quote:
want my bullet to exit
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Energy transfer does no
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:18 am to Tiguar
quote:No one should be debating that. But deer that dont bleed and run into thickets or areas that are difficult to navigate get real hard to find. That is just a fact. Where I hunt w a rifle I am never able to see more than 30-40 yards on the ground. You dont get pretty immediate blood, it gets real hard to recover a deer.
The study linked above is pretty interesting. It showed deer shot by highly frangible rounds were more likely to drop where they stood and ran less (if they ran) when compared to controlled expansion rounds.
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