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HVAC thread name change: Help me out with AC tonnage. (bottom of page 1)
Posted on 1/28/19 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 2:36 pm
Trying to get the pros and cons of each type unit. ~2600SF living. The dual unit system is about $8000 more than the single 5 ton.
Please share your wisdom on this.
Please share your wisdom on this.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 2:50 pm to poochie
The biggest pros of the dual system:
1. Multiple zones = better control of separate spaces
2. Both won't go out at once, leaving you with one that can keep an area comfortable until the other is fixed.
3. When one needs to be replaced, it will be cheaper than replacing a bigger unit, making it easier on the budget.
1. Multiple zones = better control of separate spaces
2. Both won't go out at once, leaving you with one that can keep an area comfortable until the other is fixed.
3. When one needs to be replaced, it will be cheaper than replacing a bigger unit, making it easier on the budget.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 2:57 pm to poochie
Two story house? I like having two units, one upstairs and one downstairs. I agree with what Jester said about 1). but.
Yea our units went out within 3 weeks of each other. I Think our upstairs going out caused our downstairs to run hard (this was during the summer) causing it to crap out. But both units were 26 years old so we knew they needed to be replaced. But nothing like having to replace both at once.
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2. Both won't go out at once, leaving you with one that can keep an area comfortable until the other is fixed.
2. When one needs to be replaced, it will be cheaper than replacing a bigger unit, making it easier on the budget.
Yea our units went out within 3 weeks of each other. I Think our upstairs going out caused our downstairs to run hard (this was during the summer) causing it to crap out. But both units were 26 years old so we knew they needed to be replaced. But nothing like having to replace both at once.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 3:03 pm to Jester
First get another estimate. I had 2 new units installed 2 years ago and my gap wasn't nearly that high. That was with a 3 ton and a 2 ton unit I believe.
The multiple zones is well worth it. I don't spend time upstairs during the daytime. We pretty much only sleep there. I can kick on the air/heat an hour before bed and have it ready. Then adjust the lower level as I go to bed and not waste electricity.
I replaced a 5 ton unit on a 2000 sq foot single level house and then moved into my current 2300 sq foot 2 story. Electric bill is about 100 a month less with the current house even running a pool filter 12 hours a day.
The multiple zones is well worth it. I don't spend time upstairs during the daytime. We pretty much only sleep there. I can kick on the air/heat an hour before bed and have it ready. Then adjust the lower level as I go to bed and not waste electricity.
I replaced a 5 ton unit on a 2000 sq foot single level house and then moved into my current 2300 sq foot 2 story. Electric bill is about 100 a month less with the current house even running a pool filter 12 hours a day.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 3:04 pm to poochie
for the love that all is holy, do not get Goodman.
We had 3 goodman units. both downstairs units went out at the same time.
We replaced with Carrier. 18 seer on both.
We had 3 goodman units. both downstairs units went out at the same time.
We replaced with Carrier. 18 seer on both.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 3:07 pm to bbvdd
Note: this is for ~2600SF, fairly open floor, single story, bedrooms on one side, kitchen/dining/entry/laundry on the other.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 3:10 pm to poochie
go 1 unit if you know how to change a capacitor.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 4:31 pm to poochie
How cold do you set the thermostat at night? If you like it cold, I would get 2 units. Maybe a 3 ton for living and a 2 ton for the bedrooms.. Get multiple quotes.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 6:07 pm to poochie
Why such a huge disparity in tonnage? Dropping down a whole ton between two units seems like a lot of cooling missing. I’m not sure 5T, much less 4T is enough for a 2600 SF house in South LA.
I like two units for the reasons mentioned. However, I’m not sure it’s worth $8k difference, especially if you have a 17 SEER variable unit. Remote sensors and smart thermostats can help control run time on the single unit in unoccupied areas.
I like two units for the reasons mentioned. However, I’m not sure it’s worth $8k difference, especially if you have a 17 SEER variable unit. Remote sensors and smart thermostats can help control run time on the single unit in unoccupied areas.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:47 pm to bbvdd
Great advice. Carrier user here as well. I have had fantastic luck with them.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:47 am to Arbengal
Got a few more quotes, don't know what to make of them. Tonnages all over the map.
All requested my plans so they could run calcs. They're sorted by least cost to operate to highest cost to operate. The colored cells are the actual cost of installation. The highest (7 total tons 20 seer) and the lowest (one 5T 16 seer) have almost the same operating cost but the 7/20 is over double the price. Operating cost based on
(((tonnage x 12000)/seer)*avg hours per year)/1000)* (cost per KWH)
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in before "stay away from goodman"
All requested my plans so they could run calcs. They're sorted by least cost to operate to highest cost to operate. The colored cells are the actual cost of installation. The highest (7 total tons 20 seer) and the lowest (one 5T 16 seer) have almost the same operating cost but the 7/20 is over double the price. Operating cost based on
(((tonnage x 12000)/seer)*avg hours per year)/1000)* (cost per KWH)
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in before "stay away from goodman"
Posted on 2/5/19 at 10:18 am to poochie
Am I missing something or have you not gotten any other quotes other than Ruud or Goodman?
Trane/American Stnd are usually higher than anyone else but their product is generally regarded as the best. Also, its more difficult to become a dealer so you tend to have more experienced owners/installers.
Trane/American Stnd are usually higher than anyone else but their product is generally regarded as the best. Also, its more difficult to become a dealer so you tend to have more experienced owners/installers.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 10:24 am to Chuker
these are from three local companies. i just received one more for Hiel brand. I have two more quote requests outstanding. the three 4T setups are companyA, the two goodman are companyB, and the rest of the ruud are companyC.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 11:39 am to poochie
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in before "stay away from goodman"
Ha, too late.
But seriously. Goodman sucks.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:02 am to CootKilla
Updated with trane quotes. Tonnage is all over the board. How do i know which is correct?
eta: i've updated the image to show the different vendors. Same color in the far left column shows each vendor. Total of 5 so far.
eta: i've updated the image to show the different vendors. Same color in the far left column shows each vendor. Total of 5 so far.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 11:14 am
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:07 am to poochie
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Tonnages all over the map.
Because the vast majority of a/c guys don't know how to use ASHRAE Manual J. Ask them if you can see their load calculations.
ETA - The only one of the 6 ton guys I would even consider is the one who suggested a dehumidifier. The other guys are setting you up for indoor air quality issues.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 11:09 am
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:10 am to poochie
We replaced our TRANE units after 3 years of hell (at the exact year our warranty expired) with 2 Goodman systems about 14 years ago now they are 4 years past warranty now. I have replaced one capacitor on small one and one contactor on the large one to date. Best units I have ever had.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:14 am to Jester
Dual is nice. Our house was built in the 60s. The guy I had out servicing a couple years back pointed out to me there used to be a larger air handler and furnace. We currently have a 3.5 or 4 ton downstairs with a couple of old ducts that still blow upstairs. And a 1.5 or 2 ton heat pump upstairs. We’ve liked having two. Leave upstairs off except at night. Since it is kids bedrooms only up there.
That being said, he suggested when I do replace to go with around a 4.5-5 ton unit. It will cool and heat downstairs easier and we can still keep the heat pump as backup for upstairs or on those really hot stretches in the summer to run both at once.
That being said, he suggested when I do replace to go with around a 4.5-5 ton unit. It will cool and heat downstairs easier and we can still keep the heat pump as backup for upstairs or on those really hot stretches in the summer to run both at once.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 1:18 pm to TU Rob
To properly size your system, you need the following information:
1. Total exterior wall area in square feet
2. Total ceiling area in square feet
3. Insulation R-value for walls and ceiling
4. Foundation type
a. If slab on grade, slab perimeter in feet is needed.
b. If elevated on piers, floor area (sf) and insulation R-value
5. Total living square footage
6. Window areas and u-factors
7. Door areas and u-factors
With that information, you can determine a much more accurate estimate of the thermal load. A rule of thumb is worth a little bit more than a thumb up the arse.
1. Total exterior wall area in square feet
2. Total ceiling area in square feet
3. Insulation R-value for walls and ceiling
4. Foundation type
a. If slab on grade, slab perimeter in feet is needed.
b. If elevated on piers, floor area (sf) and insulation R-value
5. Total living square footage
6. Window areas and u-factors
7. Door areas and u-factors
With that information, you can determine a much more accurate estimate of the thermal load. A rule of thumb is worth a little bit more than a thumb up the arse.
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