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re: Home Defense Gun Advice
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:10 am to bapple
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:10 am to bapple
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I highly advise you get some training if you and the wife are not experienced.
This is the best advice. Training is so affordable and you will walk away with so much more knowledge than reading about it on the internet. Most good companies will have several guns you can try while you are there as well.
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:10 am to LSU_Anthony
I keep an old Browning 12 gauge pump with a sawed off (18.5") barrel under my bed. It is full of squirrel loads because of wall penetration concerns. I also have a 38/357 revolver downstairs, but I would feel safer with the shotgun if there was trouble.
Any 12,16,20 pump or semi would be good. I would not want just a single shot for HD.
Any 12,16,20 pump or semi would be good. I would not want just a single shot for HD.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:11 am to Ace Midnight
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And we only really disagree about bird shot for home defense - something for which I am a lukewarm advocate at best.
I think #4 buck is the best compromise to reduce overpenetration but still lay an effective hit on the vitals in the torso.
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the more I think that AR-15 is probably the "least wrong" choice for 99% of self-defense firearm encounters
When the conversation is not limited to concealed carry and handguns, the AR15 is just so good. It is an extremely effective choice for self defense. Tons of ammo, plenty of muzzle energy, ease of use, light weight, variety of optics, etc. It's hard to beat.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:11 am to bapple
Absolutely, I live in North Houston and see a few shooting ranges around.
As far as training goes, do most gun ranges provide training for shotgun use? Or do I look for something more specific for training?
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I highly advise you get some training if you and the wife are not experienced.
As far as training goes, do most gun ranges provide training for shotgun use? Or do I look for something more specific for training?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:11 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Does history support shootouts involving this many? I can't see how shotgun is not the "least wrong".
The older I get, the more I think that AR-15 is probably the "least wrong" choice for 99% of self-defense firearm encounters. I mean, you can't carry it on your hip, but beyond that - one never knows what the encounter will bring - 30 rounds without reloading
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:13 am to bapple
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I highly advise you get some training if you and the wife are not experienced.
I forgot to elaborate...
NOT just a concealed carry course. A concealed carry course is mainly meant to teach you the basics along with use of lethal force laws. It is NOT a defensive handgun course. How do I know? I am a handgun instructor here in Louisiana. I wouldn't be able to train you for Texas unfortunately.
Look online for REAL defensive training - this involves shooting from various positions, practicing reloads, clearing malfunctions, and learning how to FIGHT with your gun, not just shoot it. A typical quality course will see you firing about 300-500 rounds for the day. Any less than that and I am skeptical.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:14 am to LSU_Anthony
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As far as training goes, do most gun ranges provide training for shotgun use? Or do I look for something more specific for training?
A simple Google search lead me here. Looks like a good start...
Firearms Training Houston
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:19 am to bapple
Do you have any recommendations for beginner/cheaper AR15s?
ETA: M&P15 Sport?
ETA: M&P15 Sport?
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:23 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Do you have any recommendations for beginner/cheaper AR15s? ETA: M&P15?
Good guess.
The M&P15 Sport and Ruger AR556 are both near $600 and are tough to beat as a value rifle.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:24 am to bapple
Much appreciated, Bapple.
This board has definitley provided more info.
This board has definitley provided more info.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:25 am to LSU_Anthony
Better info and better people. Screw the OT.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:26 am to LSU_Anthony
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This board has definitley provided more info.
I saw someone on the OT suggest The Judge. It's an ongoing joke here on the OB that it can destroy anything on the planet - "judge to the face."
But anyone who has any firearms experience knows if someone recommends The Judge that they bought into BS hype and aren't real shooters.
This place definitely provides better advice.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:30 am to AlxTgr
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Does history support shootouts involving this many?
No. Not at all. But I'm not fighting history, I'm dealing with an unknown threat. Historically, there are about 2 to 3 shots, on average, exchanged in a self-defense encounter.
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I can't see how shotgun is not the "least wrong".
Shotgun is extremely effective, but there are limitations. Shotgun is heavy for firepower - 8 to 10 pound package. Outside of a few specialty weapons (Saiga), shotgun is a slow reload, and it is problematic on how to carry spares. Recoil is not insignificant (I am not recoil sensitive, but many are, particularly female shooters). Shotgun's effectiveness decreases significantly with range.
So, perhaps the best choice if you know you're going to face a single (or perhaps 2) threat at household ranges. And that might be the vast majority of "something that goes bump in the night" situations. But to pretend it is not without flaws doesn't work for me. AR-15 has a lot to recommend it for these and other encounters - most notably the big 3: lethality, capacity and range.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:33 am to LSU_Anthony
Personally I prefer a pistol caliber carbine for home defense for my wife. Much easier to hit targets with the carbine than a pistol for a novice shooter. Very little recoil. MUCH less muzzle blast when compared to an AR15. AR15's have huge muzzle blasts outside, indoors and you might be damaging your hearing permanently without ear protection. 16" barrel gives the 9mm round quite a big more oomph, approaching 357mag out of a 4" barrel.
I keep a Hi Point 9mm carbine in the bedroom for these purposes.
1. It's cheap. Since it isn't locked up in the gun safe if someone were to break into the house I don't really GAF if this one is stolen.
2. Hipoint carbines are extremely reliable. My 15 year old Hi Point and my Sig P228 are the only two firearms I own that have never had a FTF or FTE. [edit] Guess you could count my AR15's here too but I've only put about 500 through the AR's and the Sig and Hi Point have seen close to 4-5k through each at least.
3. You don't want to shoot bullseye matches with the shitty cheap laser pointer they mounted on the front but it will be more then adequate enough for my wife to put bullets into a human sized torso. But the Peep sights they have on the carbine are some of my favorite I've ever used on any firearm regardless of price point.
AR15's and fancy German pistols and shotguns stay locked in the gun safes. Fear the Hai Pernt!
I keep a Hi Point 9mm carbine in the bedroom for these purposes.
1. It's cheap. Since it isn't locked up in the gun safe if someone were to break into the house I don't really GAF if this one is stolen.
2. Hipoint carbines are extremely reliable. My 15 year old Hi Point and my Sig P228 are the only two firearms I own that have never had a FTF or FTE. [edit] Guess you could count my AR15's here too but I've only put about 500 through the AR's and the Sig and Hi Point have seen close to 4-5k through each at least.
3. You don't want to shoot bullseye matches with the shitty cheap laser pointer they mounted on the front but it will be more then adequate enough for my wife to put bullets into a human sized torso. But the Peep sights they have on the carbine are some of my favorite I've ever used on any firearm regardless of price point.
AR15's and fancy German pistols and shotguns stay locked in the gun safes. Fear the Hai Pernt!
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 11:37 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:36 am to bapple
quote:I think you're going overboard here.
But anyone who has any firearms experience knows if someone recommends The Judge that they bought into BS hype and aren't real shooters.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:38 am to DeoreDX
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Personally I prefer a pistol caliber carbine for home defense for my wife.
My key problem with this choice is that you're taking the size of a long gun with the hitting power and, ultimately, range of a pistol. You raise some practical issues about muzzle flash and so forth, but those are secondary concerns when trying to end a lethal threat inside my home.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:39 am to AlxTgr
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But anyone who has any firearms experience knows if someone recommends The Judge that they bought into BS hype and aren't real shooters.
I think you're going overboard here.
I don't mind the judge as a concept. I just have a hard time trusting my life with anything that has Taurus written on the side of it. Plus they are a shitty company to deal with.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:40 am to DeoreDX
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MUCH less muzzle blast when compared to an AR15. AR15's have huge muzzle blasts outside, indoors and you might be damaging your hearing permanently without ear protection
True but it's worth noting that you will likely experience auditory exclusion in a self defense encounter and not hear it. Your eardrum may still take some damage but you won't hear it.
The one huge downside to the Hi Point is capacity. The damn thing uses a single stack pistol magazine (if I remember correctly). I'd rather have 30 rounds than 8.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:42 am to DeoreDX
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I just have a hard time trusting my life with anything that has Taurus written on the side of it.
Taurus guns are MUCH better than they were 25 to 30 years ago. The problem is - since they've improved in quality they've also increased in price to the point where they are not all that great of a value any longer.
I'm just a Smith/Ruger guy on revolvers and will likely stay that way. I don't like Beretta pistols, but if I did, I wouldn't have a problem with the Taurus copy.
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