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Help building a forge/blacksmith shop

Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:22 am
Posted by Espritdescorps
Member since Nov 2020
2706 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:22 am
Has anyone ever tried to build an old school brick forge for blacksmithing? want to pick some brains because Reddit is all over the place and pretty inconsistent with the advice I see. It’s going to be for this friend who’s insanely gifted with historic pewter. Hates his job and talents are wasted there and can’t afford a real set up. m telling him i need to build it on his land as my passion project but need to Atleast learn enough so he doesn’t get wise to the fact that I’m sneakily helping his prideful arse.
- I really want to know what tools I need to get started. I want as low tech and historically accurate to early forges as we live in a precolonial town and people eat that stuff up.
- Thanks in advance!
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20744 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:07 am to
Where does your buddy live? I have a cousin who is a smith at a pioneer settlement type place in FL. He's a proud member of the florida artist blacksmith association they have a few regional FABA groups on the facebook. I couldn't tell you shite about smithing, outside of I know nothing about it. I'd assume most states may have an equivalent somewhere, but I could be wrong af about that.
Posted by Espritdescorps
Member since Nov 2020
2706 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:15 am to
He lives in edenton NC. It’s known for the women’s tea party.. that’s a good idea. I got off social media and forget it exists sometimes
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 7:17 am
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28274 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:20 am to
Is he only going to be working with pewter? If so, a metal forge won’t be needed as pewter’s melting point is fairly low.

Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20744 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:33 am to
Just looking on the map, there should be a pioneer town type place semi local to them, if you're truly going for rustic old school smithing. My cousin teaches classes at his spot in Florida, and there's nothing that leads me to believe it's unique to just his place offering these things.
Posted by Espritdescorps
Member since Nov 2020
2706 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:11 am to
He does historic pewter but is wanting to expand but won’t let me help him so I’m gonna buy all the shite and ask to put it on his land so I can use it. Life’s too short to not say frick it and do what you love. Fear is a hell of a roadblock. Thanks man does your cousin have a website or something ?
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19892 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 10:09 am to
The OT is amazing.

"Historically accurate smithing?"

Yeah, my cousin does that.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15981 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 11:05 am to
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Reddit is all over the place and pretty inconsistent with the advice I see.

If you watch Forged In Fire, the two final contestants complete their projects at their home shops. Some are really nice with expensive equipment acquired over many years while some have kilns made from loosely stacked bricks and BBQ grills. I guess this supports what you’re seeing on Reddit.

Your friend should come up with a budget and then start pricing different components from there. He also needs to put some money towards safety equipment like serious fire extinguishers and his shop shouldn’t be attached to his residence (best case scenario) and I’m sure his homeowner’s policy premiums will be going up.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
72451 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:20 pm to
Have you ever done any blacksmithing before? Have you ever forged anything?

I ask because it matters. If you haven't, start by sinking as little money into it as you can. Find a source for soft fire brick (usually online at kiln supply places). You can easily make a small forge out of two soft fire bricks, a hacksaw, and old chisel, and a paddle drill bit. You'll also need a small container of refractory cement which can sometimes be found at Lowes. Look up how to make a "two brick forge".

You can run it off of your grill propane tank and a propane torch. Buy the cheap anvil at Harbor Freight. Then, all you need is some scrap steel and common tools.

Make some simple things using this setup and decide if it is for you. Don't sink a lot of money in making some big setup until you know he and you actually want to do it on a bigger scale.

This book can walk you through everything I just typed, in detail. The setup is transferable to most basic blacksmithing.



ETA: I only caution you to take this approach because I have bought a lot of good equipment at really cheap prices over the past ten years or so from guys who went whole hog into it only to decide it really wasn't for them. I just sold a big Hay Budden anvil a couple months ago that I got in a deal like that.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
72451 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Where does your buddy live? I have a cousin who is a smith at a pioneer settlement type place in FL. He's a proud member of the florida artist blacksmith association they have a few regional FABA groups on the facebook.

Most states and locales have blacksmithing groups to some degree. They're a great resource.
Posted by Espritdescorps
Member since Nov 2020
2706 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

This book can walk you through everything I just typed, in detail. The setup is transferable to most basic blacksmithing.


Amazing this helps a ton. Amazing advice
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
47030 posts
Posted on 6/30/24 at 5:14 pm to
if there’s a renaissance festival anywhere near you there is always a smith at those things. If I were doing something like that I’d find a smith first and sit down with him with some beers and get his design ideas/recommendations
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
72451 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:44 am to
I'll also suggest that you start hitting some flea markets if you have any good ones near you. You don't have to spend a lot of money on new blacksmithing hammers, tongs, etc. You can find good, quality old tools that have been around 100+ years at flea markets if you know what you're looking for. It'll all be rusty and won't look pretty, but it doesn't take long to knock the rust off and get them in good working order. You're also much more likely to find a decent anvil that won't cost an arm and a leg at a sale/market than a shop or online. Hay Budden is my favorite because it is a high quality, forged anvil that people don't seem to lose their minds over quite like a Peter Wright.

Ebay can be a decent source for tools, too. You can get deals there by looking for lots of hammers and tongs. If you don't know how, learn how to put a new handle in a hammer. You'll need that skill.

Getting into the power hammers and such, I'm not much help on those. I've always been just hammer and anvil, but I don't do much of that anymore. I make a few knives all along and some small things, but full time or heavy blacksmithing wasn't my thing. I still buy tools and such when I find them, mainly because I like old forged stuff and I know guys in that line of work looking for the stuff.
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