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Posted on 12/1/23 at 7:06 pm to DogFacedSoldier
That is a good point
This is the study that was never duplicated. Original macaque study
I gotta find that meateater episode
I think it was episode 70 but I know they’ve done more than one
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the problem is there has been NO duplication of testing and analysis after this study
This is the study that was never duplicated. Original macaque study
I gotta find that meateater episode
I think it was episode 70 but I know they’ve done more than one
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 8:05 pm to bigbuckdj
In addition, a quick review online shows one report estimate CWD costs to just the federal govt. $ was over $200 million since 2001. CWD Costs
The states have borne about the same amount.
So let’s say conservative estimate is $500 million in costs to just fed and state govts over 20 years…YET…all we have re: studies/research re:
infection to Humans is ONE study making a logic jump indicating CWD transfer/infection from venison to a primate.
I am going to do more research on this as I smell a rat in the grain re: the funds spent with inverse return.
The states have borne about the same amount.
So let’s say conservative estimate is $500 million in costs to just fed and state govts over 20 years…YET…all we have re: studies/research re:
infection to Humans is ONE study making a logic jump indicating CWD transfer/infection from venison to a primate.
I am going to do more research on this as I smell a rat in the grain re: the funds spent with inverse return.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 8:30 pm to DogFacedSoldier
Have to agree with DFS. Never ever underestimate multi million dollar grants to medical researchers. They have been shown time and time again to be bald faced liars. We all read these studies that tout research indicating we need to follow their findings, only to discover a decade later they were all bogus.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:17 pm to The Levee
quote:might be linked in an earlier CWD discussion about a year ago, early spring ‘23.
Do you remember the episode number?
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:05 pm to The Levee
quote:this one maybe? Have not listened myself. Rinella CWD
Do you remember the episode number?
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:34 pm to 257WBY
Can’t wait to see how many downvotes I get for this ……
So I used to guide high fence hunts for a company owned ranch. Everyone thinks high fence hunting is easy and yea I get it but when u hunting 500-700 acres high fence the deer can still hide. The first thing the deer does when it comes out is looks dead at the stand to see if anyone is in there. I will say some of the hardest hunting I have done was in that damn pen. So it’s not as easy as ppl think.
Second I personally feel that feeding won’t change anything. Point is ppl need to shoot more. Now a days ppl are only worried about getting a buck so they can blast it on social media. I love shooting does and I try my dam best to make shooting does great again! Ppl will always feed rather it’s legal or not! U will not stop it 100%.
It’s just like dog hunting some ppl love it some ppl hate it.
I feed and will continue to feed just because there is several places I can’t get a tractor in to disc.
If u ain’t feeding you just waitin…….
So I used to guide high fence hunts for a company owned ranch. Everyone thinks high fence hunting is easy and yea I get it but when u hunting 500-700 acres high fence the deer can still hide. The first thing the deer does when it comes out is looks dead at the stand to see if anyone is in there. I will say some of the hardest hunting I have done was in that damn pen. So it’s not as easy as ppl think.
Second I personally feel that feeding won’t change anything. Point is ppl need to shoot more. Now a days ppl are only worried about getting a buck so they can blast it on social media. I love shooting does and I try my dam best to make shooting does great again! Ppl will always feed rather it’s legal or not! U will not stop it 100%.
It’s just like dog hunting some ppl love it some ppl hate it.
I feed and will continue to feed just because there is several places I can’t get a tractor in to disc.
If u ain’t feeding you just waitin…….
Posted on 12/1/23 at 11:10 pm to LSUDUCKMAN67
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guide high fence hunts for a company owned ranch.
I’m sorry, I can’t help myself. So you used to drive the 30k CanAm to the Redneck Blind, say, “get out” then get everyone comfy? Didn’t you kill on like 85% of your hunts?
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It’s just like dog hunting some ppl love it some ppl hate it.
I hate the way dog hunting is now, but in its purest form, dog hunting is much more of a sport than killing a deer in a cage over a pile of corn.
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feed and will continue to feed just because there is several places I can’t get a tractor in to disc.
Good luck. If they find a pile of corn, the green jeans will ruin your life in MS. We didn’t have anyone selling or buying corn in the whole county before it was made legal. And guess what? The deer hunting was BETTER.
Also, you need to look into a seed spreader that you can walk with. You definitely don’t need a tractor or disc to make food plots. You don’t even need herbicide or fertilizer a lot of the time. And you probably have enough food in the natural browse to maintain a population IF you maintain the habitat with thinning/burning.
You’re entire post irritates the shite out of me. Aside from the part where you said everyone needs to kill more Does. I agree there.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 12/2/23 at 5:10 am to LSUDUCKMAN67
High fenced hunts can be challenging, but that has nothing to do with them being CWD incubators.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 7:24 am to The Levee
Look man sorry I’m not a “purest”
Different strokes for different folks.
Different strokes for different folks.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 8:49 am to Ron Cheramie
A day later and still no OBJECTIVE and REASONED studies have been put forth to justify this CWD enforcement nonsense by state agencies.
Yet, several on here obviously subscribe to the fear porn put out from their “trust us, we’re from the govt” folks.
There is more $ in it for govt agencies and research labs to reap from the taxpayers to keep the CWD train going.
Just like that study re: squirrel brains in KY…no proof it was squirrel brains that led to the CJKD just that they all had eaten squirrel brains, a common practice in western KY. With that info, a nationwide study would have naturally proceeded as ground breaking…yet…nothing further.
A study on monkeys linking their consumption of CWD to infected venison and then NOT ONE STUDY has been done afterwards for something that if true (primate positive=humans can also get) would be bigger than COVID as CJKD is 100 fatal!!!
If you’ve read this entire thread and don’t see this CWD nonsense for the bigger picture than I just say Lord have mercy.
Yet, several on here obviously subscribe to the fear porn put out from their “trust us, we’re from the govt” folks.
There is more $ in it for govt agencies and research labs to reap from the taxpayers to keep the CWD train going.
Just like that study re: squirrel brains in KY…no proof it was squirrel brains that led to the CJKD just that they all had eaten squirrel brains, a common practice in western KY. With that info, a nationwide study would have naturally proceeded as ground breaking…yet…nothing further.
A study on monkeys linking their consumption of CWD to infected venison and then NOT ONE STUDY has been done afterwards for something that if true (primate positive=humans can also get) would be bigger than COVID as CJKD is 100 fatal!!!
If you’ve read this entire thread and don’t see this CWD nonsense for the bigger picture than I just say Lord have mercy.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:14 am to 257WBY
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High fenced hunts can be challenging
Maybe if it’s over 2000 acres and you can’t use a rifle.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:17 am to DogFacedSoldier
You’re fooling yourself if you think this is some kind of wildlife department money grab. This is the worst nightmare of game departments.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:35 am to 257WBY
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High fenced hunts
Oxymoron
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:42 am to DogFacedSoldier
"I think what we know now is transmission to humans is unlikely. The research combined with the epidemiology suggests there’s a strong species barrier, but it’s still better to err cautiously and don’t consume CWD positive deer," Race says.
CWD is one of a few known prion diseases. Prions are proteins that don’t fold normally.
Other known prion diseases include bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as Mad Cow Disease, and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Both have been found in humans. But another prion disease, scrapie, which infects sheep and has been around for centuries has never been shown to be transmitted to humans.
Race told the audience about three Rocky Mountain Lab studies where researchers tried to infect animals similar to humans with CWD. He says the animals exposed to high volumes of CWD didn’t show any signs of it throughout their lives. Brain scans taken after they died also revealed no signs of CWD infection.
Race says that because CWD has now been present for decades in Wyoming and Colorado and there have still been no observed cases in humans. That’s also a good sign.
"Every five to 10 year period that passes where we don’t see CWD in humans, I think we can become more and more confident that its an even stronger species barrier than we may think now."
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CWD is one of a few known prion diseases. Prions are proteins that don’t fold normally.
Other known prion diseases include bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as Mad Cow Disease, and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Both have been found in humans. But another prion disease, scrapie, which infects sheep and has been around for centuries has never been shown to be transmitted to humans.
Race told the audience about three Rocky Mountain Lab studies where researchers tried to infect animals similar to humans with CWD. He says the animals exposed to high volumes of CWD didn’t show any signs of it throughout their lives. Brain scans taken after they died also revealed no signs of CWD infection.
Race says that because CWD has now been present for decades in Wyoming and Colorado and there have still been no observed cases in humans. That’s also a good sign.
"Every five to 10 year period that passes where we don’t see CWD in humans, I think we can become more and more confident that its an even stronger species barrier than we may think now."
LINK
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:47 am to DogFacedSoldier
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A study on monkeys linking their consumption of CWD to infected venison and then NOT ONE STUDY has been done afterwards for something that if true (primate positive=humans can also get) would be bigger than COVID as CJKD is 100 fatal!!!
I think it should be noted that they didn’t just feed the monkeys none cwd matter. They injected it into their brains and still didn’t get transmission in the second study. It seems it was an attempted recreation of the first.
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:52 am to DogFacedSoldier
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If you’ve read this entire thread and don’t see this CWD nonsense for the bigger picture than I just say Lord have mercy.
Would you eat a deer that tested positive for CWD?
You know you wouldn’t
Posted on 12/2/23 at 9:53 am to The Levee
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We didn’t have anyone selling or buying corn in the whole county before it was made legal. And guess what? The deer hunting was BETTER.
Preach!
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