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re: For All the Yeti Fans

Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:27 pm to
Fair enough, I understand where you are coming from.

If you support the 2nd I would encourage you to check out the Second Amendment Foundation. They take a scholarly approach and I haven’t known them to fear monger. Plus your membership dues are tax deductible.
Posted by CootDisCootDat
St. Charles, The Community
Member since May 2014
1750 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:30 pm to
As long as they keep sending the sticker in the mail annually, my truck tool box will be a member for free.
Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:46 pm to
quote:

What the NRA did here is exactly why I dislike them. They fear-monger everything!


This is all they do. It’s ridiculous.
Posted by plazadweller
South Georgia
Member since Jul 2011
12394 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

Hey Yeti, if it takes you several days and two paragraphs written by lawyers to try to explain what happened you aren't communicating well.

Keep up the stellar performance


I haven’t nor will I ever pay $300 for a cooler but this the one thing that sticks out to me. Why did it take so long? Honestly the damage has been done. I can’t help but think a very basic statement issuing denial days ago would have been better than waiting until your company just lost 25% market share (exaggeration) to issue a statement.
Posted by 3deadtrolls
lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
6896 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:18 pm to
I'll trade a pristine RTIC for anyone's nice Yeti.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 5:19 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30387 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:37 pm to
quote:

I can’t help but think a very basic statement issuing denial days ago would have been better than waiting until your company just lost 25% market share (exaggeration) to issue a statement.


I see a lot of people complaining about the timing.

For argument sake, lets say Yeti's statement is accurate.

The issue really blew up on Saturday, so on a weekend and only two days before they put ut their statement. If it were me in their shoes (again accepting Yeti is being accurate) I would probably assume the NRA misunderstood and did not blatantly throw us under the bus. If that were the case I would try to get in touch with the powers that be in the NRA first thing Monday AM and try to get them to clarify the actual situation, maybe forwarding them the email/letter etc we sent thinking maybe the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. If I was met with a stonewall I would then release the statement they made.

I think people see and will see what they want to in this situation. I posted in another thread at the beginning on Saturday I bet that it was belt-tightening on Yeti's part. If they were going to make a political statement they would have actually made one. It seems a little far-fetched that this was an anti-2A statement when they didn't make a statement. As I said though, people will believe what they want to believe.
Posted by 10MTNTiger
Banks of the Guadalupe
Member since Sep 2012
4139 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:47 pm to
Yeah the damage is done. The only way that Yeti could have salvaged this was to accept responsibility for a horribly timed and terribly communicated shift in company strategy. Instead, what they have now done is re-attacked the NRA, that won't play well.

Even if what they are trying to sell is 100% accurate, it is still Yeti's fault for not clearly articulating the reason to the NRA, their customer in the first place. Now they have doubled-down saying the customer is inaccurate when they called them on it, and after waiting three days to get that story straight.

The rotomolded cooler market isn't that big and Yeti just dynamited their domination of the market. This will be a case study in business schools in a couple of years.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30387 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:58 pm to
quote:

Even if what they are trying to sell is 100% accurate, it is still Yeti's fault for not clearly articulating the reason to the NRA, their customer in the first place. Now they have doubled-down saying the customer is inaccurate when they called them on it, and after waiting three days to get that story straight.


If Yeti is 100% accurate and their correspondence did not "cut ties" but modified their discount program then The NRA has legal exposure for Yeti's losses.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

The NRA has legal exposure for Yeti's losses.


How? NRA leadership never told anyone to boycott Yeti. Members did that on their own.
Posted by 10MTNTiger
Banks of the Guadalupe
Member since Sep 2012
4139 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

The NRA has legal exposure for Yeti's losses.


Uhh no, not even remotely.

I assume you are talking about a tortious interference claim. No way in hell would that fly. Are we going to have claims against everyone who writes a negative review of a product? Even if the NRA is 100% wrong, they are free to tell people not to do business with YETI all day long.

Hell by that reasoning David Hogg and his friends should be on the hook for all of the businesses they instituted boycotts against and caused financial losses.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30387 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:34 pm to
quote:

I assume you are talking about a tortious interference claim.


No, just a straight defamation claim. The biggest issue is the agency issue with Hammer. The statement she made is more than enough for a reasonable person to expect a boycott. The loses should be easily demonstrable (though the expert witnesses will eat). Hammer will be arguing she IS an agent since if not she (and her firm) could well be personally liable. You rarely see open defamation between (large) companies but this is one of the better fact patterns I have seen for the plaintiff.
Posted by 10MTNTiger
Banks of the Guadalupe
Member since Sep 2012
4139 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:37 pm to
Interesting, good luck with that if they try it. I don't see how suing the NRA would help their business model any more in light of the past 72 hours.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30387 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:04 pm to
quote:

Interesting, good luck with that if they try it. I don't see how suing the NRA would help their business model any more in light of the past 72 hours.



If the loss of business is anywhere near what the threads about this here and elsewhere suggest the damages will be there. If Yeti's statements are accurate and they have correspondence backing it up then is all rests on the agency issue. Equity firms will trash a brand to get one time black on a balance sheet if they see the potential to bleed red it would be a different story if the two old baws from TX still owned it.

It is a niche market but we have 3 corporate defamation cases now, the market is so small we argue from both sides of the court and from my POV looks like it would be a hell of a lot of fun on either side. The jurisdiction shopping alone would be exciting.
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
4030 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:35 am to
The complete over reaction of some bullshite NRA propaganda is something that would have you calling people on the left “snowflakes”.

Then YETI takes the high road and then their time to release a statement and it’s “too late” and “just doing damage control”.

You don’t have to buy their products for whatever reason you choose but the smear campaign put on by the NRA because a company made some financial business decisions is just childish and classless. You can support the second ammendment and the outdoors without being Pro-NRA.
Posted by Big_country346
Member since Jul 2013
3895 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:21 am to
While I agree, there are definitely people blowing this out of proportion, I believe the "adjustment" came at a bad time. What did Yeti think was going to come out of this? Honestly?

I'm almost certain there's more than enough "professionals" involved in this financial adjustment. I highly doubt the NRA would simply bash a hunting related business without looking into it. Maybe I'm wrong though.

The NRA is center stage on all media outlets, getting slammed left and right, fighting for constitutional rights. The same way Killary became a frickin gazzilionaire so she can shite on Americans. But what does it matter?

I know I'm not going my fat arse to DC every day and fighting for my right to own my guns. I have a job, bills and a family to take care of. It isn't on my to do list at the moment. That's why I support them, GOA and NAGR.

Save you a couple bucks by discontinuing shite you've been doing, now you've got rednecks all over social media bashing you and loading your cooler up with tannerite and blowing it to shite. Gohead baw.



ETA: I own no Yeti products.

I'm not in a fraternity, my daddy won't sue if we throw hands, I don't have nuts hanging from my hitch, and my truck has enough small words stuck on it.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 8:28 am
Posted by BoatSchoolTiger
Houston, TX
Member since May 2013
659 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:35 am to
quote:

I believe the "adjustment" came at a bad time.



When is a good time? It has been over two months since the Parkland shooting. If they had waited too much longer it would have been too close to the Waffle House shooting.
Posted by BoatSchoolTiger
Houston, TX
Member since May 2013
659 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:36 am to
Has the NRA apologized yet?
Posted by Big_country346
Member since Jul 2013
3895 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:53 am to
quote:

When is a good time? It has been over two months since the Parkland shooting. If they had waited too much longer it would have been too close to the Waffle House shooting.


There really isn't a good time, but this is all I'm seeing. I may be missing a piece to this somewhere.

Yeti: Hello NRA, we're notifying you that we are eliminating a group of outdated discounting programs. We're offering you an alternative customization program broadly available to consumers and organizations, such as yourself.

NRA: frick Yeti! They cut ties with us! Don't buy their products anymore!

I think there's a little more to it, which could've just trickled on down some way. I don't know.
Posted by Redfish2010
Member since Jul 2007
15231 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:57 am to
These nut cases aren’t apologizing for defamation. Hell, in their eyes, the did no wrong.
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
4030 posts
Posted on 4/24/18 at 9:02 am to
The NRA is acting like a crazy ex girlfriend of a professional athlete, who when you go to break up with them tells you that they are going to tell everyone you raped them and then file a restraining order in hopes to get some compensation out of it.


The sad part, it worked.
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