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re: Flyway Federation of Louisiana?
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:33 am to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:33 am to Cowboyfan89
quote:My understanding of the rule is that you can't hunt over freshly-planted plots, which I interpret as prior to seed germination. And manipulation means you can't mow or disturb, but as I understand it flooding and hunting first-year millet, without disturbing/manipulating, is legal. Taking my interpretation into consideration, I don't see an issue with what the club in KS is doing.
The regulations do specifically state that you cannot manipulate planted millet, but if it comes back up on it's own in later years, it is considered natural vegetation and can be manipulated.
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:41 am to White Bear
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My understanding of the rule is that you can't hunt over freshly-planted plots, which I interpret as prior to seed germination. And manipulation means you can't mow or disturb, but as I understand it flooding and hunting first-year millet, without disturbing/manipulating, is legal. Taking my interpretation into consideration, I don't see an issue with what the club in KS is doing.
My understanding as well. Not sure what their gripe is.
Oh wait...I remember. It's stopping the birds...lol!
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:53 am to Cowboyfan89
It boils down to flooding any crop that doesn't require or need it as part of its maturing process is illegal by definition by the act in question in regards to hunting over it. Its a grey area that has had a blind eye turned to it for a long time from deep lobbying pockets in the best interest of conservation. Problem was DU was helping government money get to these farmers to leave the crop and let it or help it flood for Waterfowl migration from breeding ground south. In the beginning no one was crazy enough to try and hunt over it. was well known in the early 80's when it started that you would get a baiting ticket. That quickly relaxed as more and more money flooded into the process. Now its a free for all.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:35 am to Boat Motor Bandit
I've heard/read that flooded grain is a net benefit to waterfowl. So long as that's the case the Feds will likely do nothing to change the practice.
But even if the practice of hunting flooded grain is changed, where is the line drawn? I don't know of a crop that has to be flooded to be grown.
But even if the practice of hunting flooded grain is changed, where is the line drawn? I don't know of a crop that has to be flooded to be grown.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:41 am to White Bear
Rice. Not that it technically HAS to be. That aerenchyma though
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:37 am to Boat Motor Bandit
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It boils down to flooding any crop that doesn't require or need it as part of its maturing process is illegal by definition by the act in question in regards to hunting over it.
No it's not. The regulations clearly state that it is legal to hunt over flooded standing crops.
There are farmers doing furrow irrigation on rice now, and guess what--it still grows and matures! It does not have to be flooded to grow.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:27 pm to Cowboyfan89
I would bet that rice is either clearfield or provisia on extremely clean land.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:58 pm to jimbeam
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I would bet that rice is either clearfield or provisia on extremely clean land.
Probably so, but rice does not need water. There has been research in other countries that has proven this time and time again, and with water scarcity and aquifer overdraft becoming real issues, more and more people here will either figure that out or quit farming rice altogether.
Think about it: wild rice does not grow in constantly flooded conditions. Why would the domesticated varieties need to be flooded constantly? It's simply a weed and pest control measure.
Hell, now with the rice water weevil around, one of the practices to combat it is to delay flooding. The rice still grows.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:56 pm to Cowboyfan89
Ole Goins just put a heads up out there. He's made it clear that if you do not agree with his agenda, you are not allowed to join the group.
Incredible. Instead of even facing the arguments against and trying to debate them, he's just completely blocking anyome who doesn't agree with him from voicing their opinion.
Does this guy realize he sounds like a dictator? "Agree with me, or get out."
Incredible. Instead of even facing the arguments against and trying to debate them, he's just completely blocking anyome who doesn't agree with him from voicing their opinion.
Does this guy realize he sounds like a dictator? "Agree with me, or get out."
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:28 pm to Cowboyfan89
Sounds like full retard is engaged baw.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:31 pm to Cowboyfan89
Good lord this guy is a nut.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:03 pm to Cowboyfan89
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There are farmers doing furrow irrigation on rice now, and guess what--it still grows and matures! It does not have to be flooded to grow.
This is catching on big time in the mid-south to save money when switching from Rice to Beans on rows but the field is not dry and the rice in on the row and between the rows also.
They put the drop pipes in at the bottom and back that water up so 1/3 of the field is flooded, 1/3 is always muddy, and 1/3 is really furrow irrigated but they never let it get really dry. They are running water down that row every 2-3 days.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:10 pm to jimbeam
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That is true, however look at the rice acreage from pre-Rita, and that will give you an idea of flooded winter acreage. Old school was holding water all winter. I’d wager that was higher than the current crawfish acreage but IDK.
This is true, between Acadia, Jeff Davis, and Vermillion there used to be 260,000 acres flooded all winter going into rice that next spring plus 260,000 acres of rice that was just harvested that people would flood up to hunt or it just stayed wet because it rains all winter
There was also half the crawfish acreage
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:34 pm to Cowboyfan89
so if I answer no to the questions am I not allowed to join?
the first question is something like do you think that flooded unharvested ag fields is baiting?
like it or not the law clearly states it is legal and therefore not baiting
the first question is something like do you think that flooded unharvested ag fields is baiting?
like it or not the law clearly states it is legal and therefore not baiting
Posted on 10/26/18 at 5:20 pm to Ron Cheramie
That’s exactly what they don’t understand and don’t want to hear. I just made a comment saying that which will probably get me banned. He is basically saying my way or the flyway. I’ll take the the flyway and eat some corn.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 5:28 pm to headedwest21
If you just hang tight for a bit josh is going to post something that will open your eyes
Posted on 10/26/18 at 6:29 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:
so if I answer no to the questions am I not allowed to join?
the first question is something like do you think that flooded unharvested ag fields is baiting?
Yeah, that is pretty much it, and if you answer no, you cannot join.
He just went full crazy, and his brainwashed minions are all for it. Anyone with sense is going to see right through that for what it is--you're either with him or against him. And if you are against him, you are wrong.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 6:29 pm to headedwest21
the food plot crap they spew is stupid too they are too ignorant to understand that it means a FRESHLY planted area can not be flooded because it has exposed grain the word FRESHLY is bolded in the definition of wildlife food plot
and it started in the regs you can flood any standing crop
and flooding corn is 100% not a normal ag practice but it DOES NOT matter you can flood it
and it started in the regs you can flood any standing crop
and flooding corn is 100% not a normal ag practice but it DOES NOT matter you can flood it
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:13 pm to Ron Cheramie
I'd love to know where he gets in the regs that it says you can't hunt 1st year planted millet. It says 1st year planted millet is not considered natural vegetation. It doesn't say you can't hunt it. It's like any other planted crop--you can't let it go to seed and then go shred it to scatter the seed (my interpretation anyway).
You could sure as hell flood it up and hunt it though.
Someone should start an Anti-Flyway Federation group...lol.
You could sure as hell flood it up and hunt it though.
Someone should start an Anti-Flyway Federation group...lol.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:14 pm to Ron Cheramie
He made a post in there today that the admins have to make people answer the questions and answer them truthfully, and if they disagree with what the group is about, to not let them in.
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