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EPA Wetlands Proposal

Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:21 pm
Posted by CharleyLake
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:21 pm
What is your take on this matter?
Is it likely to be accepted? Is it good for Louisiana?
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:10 am to
I'm generally against things that could lead to more permanent development of habitat.
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:21 am to
What the frick do I know but taking away protections on wetlands not only destroys habitat but will make whatever flooding issue we have in these lower parishes worse. In addition to current properties, Developers will sell new properties in areas that never should have been developed, like we already have now. Same situation in South Florida.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:56 am to
You have a back story or a little more specifics?
Posted by WillFerrellisking
Member since Jun 2019
2491 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:59 am to
What’s the proposal? Are we adding more wetlands or knocking back restrictions on wetlands?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 7:25 am to
What seems like a million years ago now, I used to do a little wetlands work. Anyone who's ever dealt with a mitigation bank will tell you, there are two side to the "Wetlands" coin. Acreage and function. The proposal leaves high value/function wetlands in place and sacrifices the lower functioning isolated wetlands that are not directly connected to waters of the US. Politics is about striking a balance, and I think this tule likely accomplishes that. However, from a sportsman only point of view, there are lots of small isolated wetlands in the Midwest/parries that are vitally important to migrating waterfowl. I'd be worried if we lost too many of those.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 7:27 am
Posted by The Last Coco
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 8:43 am to
quote:

What seems like a million years ago now, I used to do a little wetlands work. Anyone who's ever dealt with a mitigation bank will tell you, there are two side to the "Wetlands" coin. Acreage and function. The proposal leaves high value/function wetlands in place and sacrifices the lower functioning isolated wetlands that are not directly connected to waters of the US. Politics is about striking a balance, and I think this tule likely accomplishes that. However, from a sportsman only point of view, there are lots of small isolated wetlands in the Midwest/parries that are vitally important to migrating waterfowl. I'd be worried if we lost too many of those.


^ This. Very well put.

Anytime these new WOTUS regs come out, there is a lot of press about it. All this particular proposal does is clarify existing jurisdiction.

The only aspect about the current language that I dont agree with is the continuous surface water aspect. Lots of land that provides vital habitat for wildlife, reduces flooding and helps clean our waters does not have surface water. If thats all fair game to develop, it will exacerbate problems on all fronts.

That being said, it is an impossible tightrope to walk and I am generally in favor of less regulation. After the next election cycle, itll likely swing back the other way.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 9:46 am to
One of my most involved cases was a claim for damages to a wetland mitigation bank by crop overspray. My first ever overspray case just had to be one involving this complicated and massive contract with a lawyer as the owner. I went from not knowing these even existed to knowing a bunch in a very short time. This guy was making a lot of money by targeting unproductive farm land that probably never should have been cleared in the first place.
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 10:00 am to
Post the case Baw
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1460 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 10:03 am to
The proposal will knock back restrictions.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1460 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 10:21 am to
Yes Ron, thank you for the comment.

It is estimated that 59% of Louisiana wetlands are located in non-coastal inland swamps that could become open for development under this new proposal. At present much of the property that falls under the definition of wetlands are well-drained areas called "pimple mounds." Between these elevated areas are spaces that can become saturated with rainwater.

Under the new proposal the wetlands area would have to be touching visible water surface at least part of the year under a typical season. We may hear it called "the continuous surface rule."
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86410 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Post the case Baw
Never went to trial. My part, the farmers, settled first and the case lingered on against the crop duster.
Posted by White Bear
AT WORK
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 10:53 am to
quote:

complicated and massive contract
the MBI?
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62596 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Developers will sell new properties in areas that never should have been developed, like we already have now.


The Federal Flood Insurance Program did this, too.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 11:53 am
Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
6325 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:55 pm to
Flood 2.0 was designed to make coverage prohibitively expensive while making every other policy prohibitively expensive.
Posted by WillFerrellisking
Member since Jun 2019
2491 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 3:06 pm to
Gotcha, thanks
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12958 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:40 pm to
There's a big difference between how a regulation is written and how it gets implemented.

The Corps has been more or less implementing this proposed rule since April(-ish?), and as seems to be the case with any federal regulation, each district has their own take on things. We've seen instances recently where they seem to be implementing almost no differently than pre-Sackett. Some refuse to exclude ephemeral features without a request for an Approved Jurisdictional Determination.

The way the proposed regulation is written, there will still be alot of gray area as to how the jurisdictional areas are determined. It essentially boils down to what the area looks like in the wet season, but as anyone who's done wetland delineations knows, you aren't always out at that time of year, conditions are rarely "normal", and everyone interprets indicators differently. This new definition is much more similar to how NRCS does wetland delineations, which is quite different than the traditional CWA delineation (even though NRCS uses Corps methods). Most private practitioners aren't well versed in the procedures, which will be a problem. Most people want to just run out in the field, collect data, and make a delineation. This is going to make it much harder to do that if you want to "exclude" some areas from CWA jurisdiction, especially in forested landscapes.

And the reality is, groups will find liberal judges to bring cases before as soon as it goes final, and this thing likely won't see the light of day. The most recent version of the Clean Water Rule was never implemented in over half the country.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12958 posts
Posted on 12/5/25 at 6:46 pm to
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At present much of the property that falls under the definition of wetlands are well-drained areas called "pimple mounds."

Are you talking about a specific property? Because pimple mounds are really only "common" (they really aren't all that common anymore with all of the land grading that has occurred) in the prairies and flatwood savannahs in SWLA. It's a very regional topographic feature in the state.

However, ridge/swale complexes are common throughout the state. I've delineated ridge/swale in every corner of the state, but have never really seen pimple mounds outside of SWLA.

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Under the new proposal the wetlands area would have to be touching visible water surface at least part of the year under a typical season. We may hear it called "the continuous surface rule."

Not just touching, but actually have surface water itself through a majority of the wet season. Saturated wetlands would (theoretically) no longer be jurisdictional under this rule.

Think Maurepas Swamp. SCOTUS essentially said the wetland has to be so indistinguishable from the jurisdictional water (i.e., river, lake, gulf, etc.) that you can't tell where the water ends and the wetland begins.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1460 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 1:16 pm to
Yes, the property is in SWLA (Calcasieu Parish).
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12958 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:13 pm to
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Yes, the property is in SWLA (Calcasieu Parish).

Nice!

I've delineated quite a few properties in that area. Very few that aren't heavily degraded by invasive species and drainage today. The ones that aren't are pretty cool places.
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