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re: Duck population IF a full season was cancelled
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:40 pm to DuckSausage
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:40 pm to DuckSausage
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Just curious... what was/is the reason behind changing to no till farming?
I'm sure soil is helped, but the biggest reason for no til is the machinery got better to where they can now til and plant in the same pass. Letting the cut stems sit over the winter allows them to rot and then in the spring they can come back and til it under and plant all in one run.
As said, if you want better hunting you gotta go elsewhere. Go to Canada early on and you can smash the ducks as good as anyone's wet dream. The ducks just don't all go down the Mississippi anymore.
Something not said yet, is a huge reason for many ducks not flying south is water cooled factories and power plants. Tons of water is kept open by through hard freezes all around the midwest. If you have open water, the ducks will stay around until they absolutely can't find food which takes a lot of snow or ice compared to just frozen water. Thats why local geese are such a huge problem now, they have everything they need to never migrate in either direction.
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:51 pm to baldona
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I'm sure soil is helped, but the biggest reason for no til is the machinery got better to where they can now til and plant in the same pass. Letting the cut stems sit over the winter allows them to rot and then in the spring they can come back and til it under and plant all in one run.
Except they aren't tilling. Thus the name "no till".
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:56 pm to the LSUSaint
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you say some genruc somment and some clown wants to have a knowledge dick measuring contest thinking he is Joe duck
Should have stuck with your original plan. Nobody is trying to have a "knowledge dick measuring contest". You started this thread asking a question that isn't even supported by the data (1970 population was lower than today).
Now you are trying to blame geese for eating up the duck breeding grounds, when in reality they only affect a handful of species, and duck numbers have climbed at the same time that geese numbers have climbed.
Any "Joe Duck" could look that up in 5 minutes. It's got nothing to do with knowledge.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 10:13 pm to baldona
If by tilling you mean cutting a very narrow groovein front of the planter, then yes. There is no "till" in "no-till" though in a conventional sense.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:33 am to baldona
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the ducks will stay around until they absolutely can't find food which takes a lot of snow or ice compared to just frozen water.
Mallards are also really good about following the freeze line. Even though they will stick around even during hard freezes and snow cover if there is open water to roost on, they will push ahead of the freeze line when forced to and then once it warms up, they will follow it right back up. That's why you sometimes get pretty wild movements on radio tracked birds from roosting locations to feeding sites during big storms.
I am not sure ducks did this back in the day but after years and years of ducks following this blueprint, they have certainly imprinted to this new migration pattern.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:50 am to jimbeam
I was under the impression that no till is not breaking the soil at all. Everything is drill seeded?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:57 am to jimbeam
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If by tilling you mean cutting a very narrow groovein front of the planter, then yes. There is no "till" in "no-till" though in a conventional sense.
Correct. But how many actually truly "no-til"? My experience in the midwest (both parents are from Illinois) says not most. Quick internet search says around 25% no-til, with another roughly 25% using low til type of methods like a quick disk. IMO guys reference "no-til" farming and wildlife but they really mean the change in tilling in the fall in general from most people tilling it all under in the fall to different methods now.
So in my experience its not the "no-til" that's changed the duck patterns, its the changing in till'ing in general. It doesn't matter if the ground is tilled or not, its when it is tilled that matters most right as far as waterfowl is concerned?
That's just my experience and I'm not a farmer. Its interesting to learn about how this changes wildlife patterns so drastically and makes sense.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:16 am to baldona
Basically, if you remove the plow and disk, but you are still using a cultivator, you aren't no-tilling. You are reduced tilling.
No-till is defined as having a STIR (Soil Tillage Intensity Rating) of less than 30. Even with a cultivator alone, the STIR is still over 50 on a Corn-Soybean rotation.
Down here, you have to use a single light tandem disk activity to get below 30. No heavy disking.
No-till is defined as having a STIR (Soil Tillage Intensity Rating) of less than 30. Even with a cultivator alone, the STIR is still over 50 on a Corn-Soybean rotation.
Down here, you have to use a single light tandem disk activity to get below 30. No heavy disking.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 11:19 am
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