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re: Daniel Defense/John Lovell introduce the WPSM4A1…… for $3000
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:15 am to bbvdd
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:15 am to bbvdd
Nah, I just know for a fact that 95% of people who own a $3000 AR will never use it in a defensive manor, it probably is a safe queen, and there's a 70% chance that my PSA AR will outshoot them because they spent money on a single weapon and have 100 rounds of ammo.
For the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, you would be better off owning a 1k rifle, and spending 2k on ammo and training.
For the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, you would be better off owning a 1k rifle, and spending 2k on ammo and training.
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:18 am to BayouBaw84
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Sweet rifle. People always find something to complain about.
You can put one together with premium products for much less.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 11:57 am to BadatBourre
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Nah, I just know for a fact that 95% of people who own a $3000 AR will never use it in a defensive manor, it probably is a safe queen, and there's a 70% chance that my PSA AR will outshoot them because they spent money on a single weapon and have 100 rounds of ammo.
For the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, you would be better off owning a 1k rifle, and spending 2k on ammo and training.
I get a kick out of the ones that put high dollar triggers and optics on one and try to turn it into a long range weapon. They weren't made for that. If it can reliably put rounds into a man sized target at 500m, and goes bang every time I squeeze the trigger, it's good to go in my book.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 12:44 pm to Damone
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Proprietary gas system and bolt carrier group,
That's not a good thing.
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insane quality control
They still have duds that get through, see SOTAR.
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maintains value in resale market
horseshite. Nobody is going to pay close to that after it's used by the first buyer.
$2000+ AR-15's are "look at me" range toys.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 1:07 pm to Clames
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Proprietary gas system and bolt carrier group,
That's not a good thing.
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insane quality control
They still have duds that get through, see SOTAR.
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maintains value in resale market
horseshite. Nobody is going to pay close to that after it's used by the first buyer.
$2000+ AR-15's are "look at me" range toys
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Clames
my man!
Posted on 11/24/23 at 2:08 pm to BadatBourre
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I just know for a fact that 95% of people who own a $3000 AR will never use it in a defensive manor
And I know 95% or more who own an AR or any gun for that matter will never use it in a defensive manor.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:45 pm to Kino74
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You're not missing anything. The upgrades in that gun are $$$$. Some people just love to complain.
It's weird how insecure some people are about how others spend their money. Some people like to have nice shite and don't care about "just as good" shooters at the range.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:20 am to Elblancodiablo
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production rifles are just as accurate as custom.
lol. My buddy can hit a golf ball at 1000 yds with his custom 300 PRC. There isn’t any production gun that can do that consistently.
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Lots of pistols out there more reliable than any 1911
I’ll put my Nighthawk Colt custom up against any production pistol you can find.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:49 am to lsufan1971
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lol. My buddy can hit a golf ball at 1000 yds with his custom 300 PRC. There isn’t any production gun that can do that consistently
Congrats to your buddy. The other 99,999 people you come across don't have those skills.
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I’ll put my Nighthawk Colt custom up against any production pistol you can find.
And your colt would lose a durability test against a quality striker fired pistol every single time.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:23 am to Elblancodiablo
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And your colt would lose a durability test against a quality striker fired pistol every single time.
Tell me why most completion shooters are using 2011s? When reliability means the most for their livelihood, they’re choosing the 1911 platform.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:30 am to bbvdd
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When reliability means the most for their livelihood, they’re choosing the 1911 platform.
When your life depends on it, striker fired
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:02 am to lsufan1971
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lol. My buddy can hit a golf ball at 1000 yds with his custom 300 PRC. There isn’t any production gun that can do that consistently.
I'll assume you're using hyperbole here. No question that if you want sub .5 MOA accuracy it's not coming off the rack, but no gun is consistently hitting a golf ball at 1000 yds.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 12:43 pm to bbvdd
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they’re choosing the 1911 platform.
They are choosing that platform for its customization potential. They can be made extremely reliable when tuned and always shooting the exact same ammunition (often handloaded to the shooter's preference). Don't pretend those guns would perform the same with a mixed bag of ammo, also the stock service pistol in IDPA is dominated by Glock.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 12:44 pm to finchmeister08
Or you can buy 3 to 5 just nice AR-15s with ammo.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 1:37 pm to Elblancodiablo
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As someone who sees a rifle as a tool, I wish someone would explain the draw of a $3k AR rifle.
I have no idea.
I built a PSA blem lower with tit nitride bcg, all stainless parts, inconel gas tube, stainless barrel, for under 800 bucks.
It's dead reliable for 1k rounds without cleaning and will shoot the tits off a fly at 100 yards.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 1:38 pm to Flats
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I'll assume you're using hyperbole here. No question that if you want sub .5 MOA accuracy it's not coming off the rack, but no gun is consistently hitting a golf ball at 1000 yds.
His buddy told him it could.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 1:41 pm to Clames
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stock service pistol in IDPA is dominated by Glock
I would say I have proven it's potential accuracy to the board
I bought a few SAR9 pistols last year.
Finally shot one of them last weekend, extremely accurate. Definitely a contender for best polymer gun in the 500-700 price range, even though all of mine were $250 bucks
Posted on 11/25/23 at 2:04 pm to Flats
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No question that if you want sub .5 MOA accuracy it's not coming off the rack,
I am not so sure about that. Some brands off the rack are quite capable of those numbers.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 2:08 pm to X123F45
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I built a PSA blem lower with tit nitride bcg, all stainless parts, inconel gas tube, stainless barrel, for under 800 bucks.
It's dead reliable for 1k rounds without cleaning and will shoot the tits off a fly at 100 yards.
Tell me you kept the weight down around 6lbs and I will be badgering you for your recipe.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 3:19 pm to Elblancodiablo
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Tell me you kept the weight down around 6lbs and I will be badgering you for your recipe.
I'll throw it on a food scale tonight.
I don't recognize a fivelb difference baw
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