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re: CWD detections by Parish.

Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:59 am to
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
4831 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:59 am to
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There's no benefit to baiting deer for anybody. Its a really easy and non-impactful way to improve the situation.


I can agree on certain situations where you have enough land and moisture to be able to grow decent food plots. I live and hunt in South Texas and after 3 years of prepping, purchasing seed, and fertilizer only to have zero results due to lack of rain I stopped trying to plant food plots and went 100% to gravity protein feeders and corn feeders. I started feeding year round about 6 years ago and the quantity and quality have dramatically increased since that time.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6566 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:06 am to
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I stopped trying to plant food plots and went 100% to gravity protein feeders and corn feeders


Yeah, people keep referring to this as "baiting".. It's not. It's supplemental feeding.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
82696 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:18 am to
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There's no benefit to baiting deer for anybody.
Never baited, and never will, but I am having trouble understanding this statement.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
14997 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:37 am to
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I can agree on certain situations where you have enough land and moisture to be able to grow decent food plots. I live and hunt in South Texas and after 3 years of prepping, purchasing seed, and fertilizer only to have zero results due to lack of rain I stopped trying to plant food plots and went 100% to gravity protein feeders and corn feeders. I started feeding year round about 6 years ago and the quantity and quality have dramatically increased since that time.
not every area is meant to have a shitload of deer, Boone and croquet book bucks. Carrying capacity.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:36 am to
Dumping corn on the ground in front of a camera is baiting.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6566 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:40 am to
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Dumping corn on the ground in front of a camera is baiting.


Absolutely agree with this. Having a protein feeder that doesn't get hunted is feeding.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 1:03 pm to
It doesn't matter. It's artificially concentrating deer spit and increasing contact either way. Both are conducive to spreading disease.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6566 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 1:59 pm to
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It's artificially concentrating deer spit and increasing contact either way. Both are conducive to spreading disease.


I don't disagree with that..

On a different note, did you see what the Kerr County Deer program did?? 50 years of research down the drain...

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And it was a false positive..

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This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:41 pm to
Yea, I remember reading about that.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
14997 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:00 pm to
Damn.
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
1099 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:21 pm to
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Meanwhile the government still will not allow hunters to feed in most of Madison and Franklin parishes.
sucks for the folks on the fringes with nearby feeding going on, but I'd be thankful. bare with me, because this is getting to how I feel on CWD and feeding.

among many other ethical issues and effects on hunting and deer movement, one problem we've seen this year is that, like many others, central mississippi had a terrible drought. as a result, 99% of food plots had terrible results, and the acorn crop was dismal as well. this should've led to good deer movement, but because of copious baiting, it was the worst year I've ever seen as far as movement goes, including the rut, and we had the best rut hunting weather we've had in at least 8 or 9 years.

every feed store in the area could barely keep up; they had record winters on corn sales, and feeders too. the local co-op owner told me they couldn't buy enough feeders to keep up with demand. you can't go for half a mile down the road without seeing empty bags of corn, rice bran, mobucks and big and j in the road ditch that blew out of a truck bed. the only common denominator to the poor movement is the feeding like never seen before to supplement the food plots: by pre rut, the water situation was about normal. no acorns, hunting pressure the same, logging situations the same, weather fantastic, deer everywhere at night...unparalleled baiting...no deer in the day. I pride myself in having picture worthy, done right food plots, and while mine did better than most, they were still poor by my standards. that could've been a factor, but I've had worse results in years past on certain plots that i neglected to plan and plant for. unlike the feeding, their condition is not unparalleled.

being surrounded on 3 sides by a deep section of national forest, i waited until middle of peak rut to bait, hoping the deer would move better, but they never did. as soon as I put the feeders out, what few doe groups I was seeing went nocturnal overnight, but with them came dozens more to join the large groups that were nocturnal. typically, during late season, on my largest 6 acre plot located in a river bottom with 100 acres of prime unbroken bedding thickets adjacent, during good weather, you can plan to see 10-20 deer with a 60/40 mix of does to bucks per evening hunt.

we saw no more than 15 all year on that plot.

worst season I and others around me have seen in a decade, and it sucks because our peak season weather was the tits.

the deer don't move naturally anymore around here. they hole up in their bedding areas 100 yards from the feeder and don't move until after dark. I firmly believe we're conditioning our doe groups to adapt, and only the ones with a propensity to lay low, stay away from feeders until nighttime, and in the thickets even with a buck after them, are breeding. it follows along the same line of theory that Tom Kelly laid out in one of his books about gobbling turkeys and why the science shows that turkeys gobble less and less, and like rattlesnakes are adapting to rattle only as a last resort: humans. animals aren't stupid. they're wild, they can't reason, but they can adapt byway of pattern recognition. a 10th generation doe whose ancestors lived by being increasingly dependent on nocturnal corn feeding and staying deep in thickets and learning that behavior through the years has to got eventually come to a head.

Because I'm becoming more and more skeptical about the science of CWD, I would almost rather them find the deer that I know is running around here right now with CWD so they could ban feeding in our area. I believe as far as hunting quality goes, the latter is far worse than the former.

the day mdwfp bans feeding and dog hunting on lands less than 1000 contiguous acres, our 4 county area will see major improvements in deer hunting. while the dog situation will sort itself out in time due to lawlessness, I'm afraid that unless cwd is the conduit to stopping the baiting culture and businesses that depend on it, that the cat is already out of the bag, and getting it back isn't going to come without some major backlash- and we all know the politicians who run wildlife departments instead of biologists don't like that word one bit.
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
6627 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 8:48 pm to
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It doesn't matter. It's artificially concentrating deer spit and increasing contact either way. Both are conducive to spreading disease.



I have hunted W. Texas, Eldorado area and Louisiana, SWLA up to Toledo area. In Texas I sometimes used feeders but not in LA. I will go hunt either spot tomorrow and accept it for what it is.

Has this OP ever seen deer concentrate at water holes in South or West Texas? Lots of us have. I used to ghillie suit ground hunt a Cistern fed into a very small pond in Eldorado. I saw more deer here than I would at any box blind with feeders.

Outlawing feeding would not affect these more common congregating areas, where if not watering they are all grazing and swapping spit.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11545 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:40 pm to
No baiting and kill more deer.

Populations are too high. Spread of any disease is a risk.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11545 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:45 pm to
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Outlawing feeding would not affect these more common congregating areas, where if not watering they are all grazing and swapping spit.


Yes. But only the deer at that naturally occurring spot would be impacted vs all deer currently with feeding.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5219 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:44 am to
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i waited until middle of peak rut to bait, hoping the deer would move better,


So after three paragraphs ranting about baiting you still baited?
Posted by ItsBernie
Louisiana
Member since May 2019
304 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 1:58 pm to
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That’s another topic. This is topic is parishes that have not had any detections still not being able to bait. Small feed stores in these areas are now closing. One owner of a feed store in Delhi told me his profits have are down 60% since ban. He is now having to sell his store.


To be honost about the delhi coop, their prices are ridiculously high, especially after they moved locations. Not only that but when you walk in and all you smell is cat urine and litter boxes it is no wonder his business is dropping. I stopped going there this past year for those very reasons.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
20560 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 4:38 pm to
The extent of corn having an impact on positive CWD results comes only from deer congregating in a small area.

As for the bait ban, it sure makes my work easier on the places I manage within the bait ban zone, while also making it more difficult to get herd information via trail cameras.

Good and bad
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
904 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 5:29 pm to
Lot of good in formation here on this topic, I have heard about CWD and I’m familiar with what it does but it’s clear that many of you guys are pretty knowledgeable about it. It’s interesting reading the comments and learning that spread by saliva exchange may be helping spread the disease.
It brought to mind something that has changed a lot since my early years of deer hunting in the 70’s and 80’s and that is the increase in mineral block, “licking block” type attractants and supplements. I don’t remember those being as available until the last 15-20 years.
Does anyone know it they are being specifically researched and investigated as a potential part of the problem ?
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8982 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:01 pm to
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like rattlesnakes are adapting to rattle only as a last resort


Not true. Jesus….
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5958 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 4:52 pm to
Questionable testing methods in Tennessee.

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