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re: Chessies or lab

Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:00 am to
Posted by BRgetthenet
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Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:00 am to
Say baw

Saw my first batch of hot sticks?
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30543 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:01 am to
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Not every dog is going to be a problem, it's just that between the two breeds, Chessie's are more likely to be one. It's like leaving a loaded handgun with no safety on a table. You can't control what someone else is going to do with it.
lets see the national dog bite statistics.... labs vs chessies counselor
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:06 am to
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lets see the national dog bite statistics.... labs vs chessies counselor

On a per dog basis? Go get 'em. I handle dog bite cases. Chessies are on my never own list
The one I tried most recently involved a chessie doing the biting while the lab was trying to play with the guy
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30543 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:10 am to
police called for a dog bite around the corner from me the other day......


labradoodle did it..... I wish it would have bit the fricker that called my LBD a labradoodle...he's back walking and eating solid foods now..
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:11 am to
Yes, that bowl was full of good lookin’ stuff!


Pique, I don’t think comps could be provided on that stat due to ratio of each breed and most incidents would take place in the field, camp, etc., therefore, not reported....?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:13 am to
Almost all breeds bite someone at some point. They don't punch well.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30543 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:17 am to
I will say....chessies are not for everyone...

the breeder I got mine from vetted everyone they sold pups to....


I really like having a 25lb and a 42 lb bird dog.....though.. I never thought I'd say that.....
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81622 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:35 am to
quote:

I will say....chessies are not for everyone...
Right, and that's kinda the point.
Posted by saltwaterdawg
Member since Nov 2016
870 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 9:59 am to
I have had 2 Chessies, first one was totally protective of me, or anything I put down.
His first retrieve was a mallard that dove. Bear went underwater and came up with the duck. I was sold. Unfortunately we had to give him away when I started my family.

Second Chessie was one my son bought, and realized a Chessie in a dorm room doesn’t work. A sweet dog that loved outdoors and loved to be petted. His only dislike was other male dogs. Bear would not only retrieve ducks, he was also a pretty good blood trail dog.

Both were as tough as a Nickel steak, hardheaded as hell, but both were totally loyal dogs.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:14 pm to
British Lab.
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
761 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:25 pm to
Have had both. Current Chessie is family dog, hunting dog, lives in house, etc.

They are not labs. He is very protective - you are not coming in the house uninvited and he ain’t too big on you coming in invited to be honest. You aren’t getting anywhere near my wife without him getting between her and you, which is a trait she likes.

If you want a lab that looks different, don’t do a chessie. If you do a chessie, make sure you know that you will need to learn that dog’s quirks and work with them. Typical lab trainers, especially larger outfits, may not want to fool with them as they don’t follow the cookbook too well. You’ll have to do lot of work yourself.

People say they are stubborn, but that’s not really it. They have loooong memories and are kinda soft in a way and strong willed. If a certain situation works out badly for them, they may never get entirely over it. That’s the reason you can’t just train them like a lab. Pressure helps to teach them, but too much pressure and they can’t take it. And will remember it.
Also, I know a couple of chessie who aren’t constantly socialized, and I would not trust them for 1 second.

If you get a chessie, play a role in the training and socialize it constantly
Posted by Dylan
Bayou Barbary
Member since May 2009
3408 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 2:00 pm to
Okay to answer a few questions, the deer camp is just family and close friends. It will never be more then 7-10 people, but usually less. I have a niece and nephew who are around a lot. They are 7 and 4. I duck hunt with a small group of friends and it's rarely any new people, just the same old crew. I may just get a lab, but I'm scared I will 2nd guess and just regret not getting a chessie. The main thing is I need a dog that will retrieve, I got tired of losing ducks in the rozos or having to pull the boat out and get every duck before they float away.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81622 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 2:01 pm to
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30543 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

Have had both. Current Chessie is family dog, hunting dog, lives in house, etc.

They are not labs. He is very protective - you are not coming in the house uninvited and he ain’t too big on you coming in invited to be honest. You aren’t getting anywhere near my wife without him getting between her and you, which is a trait she likes.

If you want a lab that looks different, don’t do a chessie. If you do a chessie, make sure you know that you will need to learn that dog’s quirks and work with them. Typical lab trainers, especially larger outfits, may not want to fool with them as they don’t follow the cookbook too well. You’ll have to do lot of work yourself.

People say they are stubborn, but that’s not really it. They have loooong memories and are kinda soft in a way and strong willed. If a certain situation works out badly for them, they may never get entirely over it. That’s the reason you can’t just train them like a lab. Pressure helps to teach them, but too much pressure and they can’t take it. And will remember it.
Also, I know a couple of chessie who aren’t constantly socialized, and I would not trust them for 1 second.

If you get a chessie, play a role in the training and socialize it constantly
wisest words on chessies in OB history
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10429 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 2:15 pm to
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The main thing is I need a dog that will retrieve


Get a Lab with a good pedigree and then force fetch it along with training and you should be fine.

Chessies are a different animal training than a Lab.
Training a Lab is often very cookie cutter and you can really weed out rejects pretty early on. A Chessie doesn't play by those rules. Chessies take more patience and willingness to deal with their often stubborn behavior. I train my own dogs anyway but there is no way I would trust this breed with a trainer just because the bond they develop with the owner.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 1/23/18 at 2:37 pm to
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they tend to have a strong personality


That's like saying the left tends to not like Donald Trump.

Chessies are hard headed sumbitches. My grandfather had several while we hunted growing up. They are outstanding hard charging duck dogs once finished - if finished.

Grandpa's dogs had unusually long names - usual Queen you god damn son of a bitching no good *&^*) such and such or the like. I could never figure out why he chose such a long and colorful name for a dick dog.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10429 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 3:50 pm to
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Chessies are hard headed sumbitches.


This may already be posted in this thread but this is pretty much gospel.

You can train a Golden to mind with raising your voice, a Lab with a stick, and a Chessie with a 2" X 4".
Posted by F Secunda8
Member since Mar 2017
280 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 5:42 pm to
Can’t comment much on a Chessie but I can tell you how wonderful labs are.
They get the stereotype of being overhyped and too much. It’s so untrue it’s incredible.
They do have a lot of energy, but when you harvest that energy, you have a TOOL that will do unimaginable things.
My last 3 labs have all been as good or better deer blood trail dogs than the beagles I’ve had in the past.
My current and the other 2 all picked up blood trailing all on their own. Put them on a trail, they will follow it. It’s infredible.
As far as duck hunting goes- people buy labs for a reason.
The coat is easier to maintain throughout the season.
They are some of the most loyal dogs if handled properly.
If you haven’t trained a lab, send it to a school and ask to BE INVOLVED!!
Training a dog is as much training the OWNER to handle the dog , as it is training the dog.
You should be there every weekend spending 2-3 hours going over what the dog has learned and teaching you how to make said dog do what he’s learned.
This way the dog knows to respond not only to a trainer but to you.
I was fortunate enough to have a friend that trains labs for a living.
I did what I said above and stayed very actively involved with my first dog’s training.
Since then, I have trained two labs that I would put in a duck blind with anybody.
Perfect angels in my eyes.
Long story:: stick to a lab.
Posted by toots-N-scoots
Houston
Member since Aug 2012
699 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 10:31 pm to
4 month old lab

To OP you can get a great hunting dog out of a lab, you won’t have to get in the boat and pick up ducks before they drift off. This female lab of mine was 4 months old with this kind of drive! She now is 2 1/2 and is a great hunting dog and also a great field trialer. Made the 2917 National Derby list and is currently doing work in Quals.

Pick a high quality breeding a put your time in working with your dog, you won’t be disappointed. This indicative of all of the labs I’ve owned over 30 years.
Posted by Dylan
Bayou Barbary
Member since May 2009
3408 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 10:41 pm to
This is awesome! I've pretty much decided on a lab at this point. It just seems like the safest bet. So how much does pedigree matter? A member on here has some pups I'm going to check out and there is a litter off of "gator points bayou chops's" son. The owners train dogs for a living. Should I go with the proven pedigree?
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