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Catalpa worms- what happened to them?

Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:37 am
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:37 am
Growing up we had a few trees in my neighborhood that would get worms every single year. I still notice the trees all over the place, but I haven’t seen one with worms or chewed leaves in probably a decade. Is it the same where you live?

What’s the cause here? Increased spraying?
Posted by The Last Coco
On the water
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:43 am to
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Increased spraying?


I've been told it's due to the mosquito control spray.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:48 am to
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I've been told it's due to the mosquito control spray.


It's a shame that stuff doesn't seem to work on mosquitos.

I really don't freshwater fish much anymore but if I stumbled on a tree with worms that would change quickly. It's instinct for me to inspect every tree I see, waxing nostalgic for the "harvest" of my youth I suppose.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:00 am to
We had a few trees in our yard when I was a kid. Good memories for sure.
My dad and his folks love using the worms. I always thought crickets were better.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:09 am to
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It's a shame that stuff doesn't seem to work on mosquitos.


Works real well on lots of stuff you DON'T want it to work on though.....And who knows what kind of long term effects on other animals....But, hey, yeh, let's spray it on everything as an shitty effort to scare away a bug that simply adapts to it.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:15 am to
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Works real well on lots of stuff you DON'T want it to work on though.....And who knows what kind of long term effects on other animals....But, hey, yeh, let's spray it on everything as an shitty effort to scare away a bug that simply adapts to it.
It doesnt work on 10 year old boys, we played in the stuff.

That said, we had weekly mosquito spraying in our hood in the 70s and 80s....but lots of catalpa worms everywhere.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:26 am to
I just checked on my tree yesterday...

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Increased spraying?


That's what I think. My neighborhood has a few tress in it and same story about how they disappeared. A neighbor gave me a sapling that came up in his flower bed a few years ago because I stopped and talked to him about his tree. His dad owned the house before him and they used to use them to fish when he was a boy, etc....

Anyway, I took the tree out to the country on my Mom's cattle farm (she doesn't spray any pesticides) and guess what happened...
















This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 9:31 am
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:48 am to
You aren't fishing enough if they had time to completely defoliate the tree!
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:10 am to
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You aren't fishing enough if they had time to completely defoliate the tree!


I didn't use many the first year or two that they showed up, thinking it would increase the odds a moth would return and lay eggs.

However, I have a plan for that. Since that tree has produced, we took some cuttings a few weeks ago to try to clone that exact tree and have a couple more in case disease or lightening took out my only tree. Not much movement at first, but about a week ago, they rooted and started putting off green leaves. My mom just temporarily potted them yesterday... We'll separate them soon and hopefully we'll have a couple more producing trees in a couple of years.

My mom is awesome at that kind of stuff...

Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:25 am to
Awesome. Good to know they can still be found “in the country”
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:37 am to
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It's a shame that stuff doesn't seem to work on mosquitos.


I wouldn’t say that. I’ve stayed in a couple of the dirt poor delta towns that apparently don’t spray and you will inhale mosquitos they’re so thick. It was worse than the swamp, and that’s not an exaggeration.
Posted by Greencombine
Member since May 2024
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:16 am to
Mosquito spraying and I noticed as a kid that when we started broadcasting STAM the trees near farms got less and less worms and in a few years they had none.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:20 am to
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we had weekly mosquito spraying in our hood in the 70s and 80s....but lots of catalpa worms everywhere.


You got any pics of those trees today?
Posted by chrome1007
Toledo Bend
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:22 am to
We had a catalpa tree in the yard when I was growing up. It would be loaded with catalpa worms. Would put them in some corn meal and freeze them for later.
Later my mom bought a place in Minden and had a catalpa tree. Was one of the oldest catalpa trees in Louisiana.
LSU Ag said that the mosquito spraying was eliminating the catalpa sphinx (hawk moth).
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:35 am to
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LSU Ag said that the mosquito spraying was eliminating the catalpa sphinx (hawk moth).


We have Ducks Unlimited, Quail Unlimited, Delta Waterfowl, CCA, etc.

I thinks it's time the OB forms Catalpa Unlimited. We oppose the spraying of non-selective pesticides, and I'll start cloning more cuttings to distribute across the South.

To some, it's just a moth and worm, to us, it's our heritage and a way of life that is quickly being forgotten.

Seriously though, these threads always bring out the same stories of the old days, the same theories about their disappearance and so on. It's sad that they are just collateral damage in the war on mosquitos. Only a few people care and those of us that remember are dying off as we get older. My grandfather would be livid if he were around today. He had 7 trees on the couple of acres he owned behind his house. He bought cuttings over from his childhood home place where he was raised in Mississippi.
Posted by catchyalater
Louisiana
Member since May 2023
163 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:38 am to
I actually saw some recently though I can't remember where. My thoughts on seeing them were literally to just leave them alone and hope they make more.

Easy for me to say, I never fished with them. I only heard the stories from my Uncles and Grand Parents. According to them you could freeze them and they'd spring right back up the next year.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70159 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 12:01 pm to
Had them every year at my old house near Athens until the tree died from old age. It was a gigantic monster of a catalpa tree. As a child growing up in Cobb County (when it was still rural) my friend down the road had a 5 ac farm pond on some land and his uncle planted catalpa trees. His whole family got together once a year to harvest the worms and hammer the bluegill and shellcracker and have a big fish fry.

I haven't bothered planting one at my new house because #1 we spray for skeeters and #2 crickets work just as well. The catalpa worms are nostalgic though. When you are 9 years old and can't drive to the store to buy crickets, you work to dig worms and catch grasshoppers, but during catalpa season, getting bait was much less of a chore, for sure.
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
12135 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 12:02 pm to
Used to fish underneath a catalpa tree on the homochitto back in the day. Instant catch. Fish love em

Pow pow had a few trees near the pond and same result
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
39686 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:32 pm to
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Used to fish underneath a catalpa tree on the homochitto back in the day. Instant catch. Fish love em

Pow pow had a few trees near the pond and same result


That is similar to my Grandpaw's story. He was born in 1907. He grew up in Tylertown in SW Mississippi and they fished the Bougechitto. They noticed the catalpa trees on the bank would have fish under them when they had worms. They dug the first few up off the banks and planted them on their farm to monitor for worms, and harvest them when they showed up. He was a young man during the great depression, so they were actually fishing to feed themselves more than have fun.

The rest was history. He always had some trees and would take those cuttings like we did and give them to friends and other fishermen he knew to spread the trees and always have options. They don't all produce worms at the same time, it depends on when a moth lays eggs on a tree. We've had them as early as June and as late as August. Always during the middle of the summer though...
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
26886 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:40 pm to
I have a few on my place.

One tree is absolutely huge. Probably 2-3 feet in diameter.

There is another that is big but not that big. Last year, after I discovered what they were I noticed that they both had a lot of leaves eaten off of them.

I never saw the worms but also didn't look too hard.

I will be a little more diligent this year about looking. I only fished with them one time. We went to my grandmothers. They had a tree out back and we picked some of the worms (this was in the early 80s).
Caught a huge mess of fish.

I may see about getting seed from the trees this year, if I can reach the pods.
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